i just don't see, Danny, how exactly he can improve it though. i mean, what he has basically made is a note for note recreation of the John Debney theme tune on a midi keyboard. how can you improve it other than by adjusting the tempo which he can find out simply by running the two of them together and thinking 'fuck me that's out of time, i'd better fix that shit'. he has ears, there is nothing people can offer him if all he's doing is an exact replica albeit one that i'd expect to hear on a piczo fan page. and how far CAN you even develop with nothing but a midi keyboard and a pc at your disposal. is he actually going to upload a midi to the whomix?

sorry i'm not really angry I just don't like people killing music by producing shit that i'd expect to hear coming from a tinny little speaking in a crappy birthday card that plays music when you open it.

yeah keep making music zeo, keep it up kid, don't listen to dem guys wot sayin shit to you and whatnot

As others have said, if you can't help, don't try. Again, not being angry or snappy. Just saying. It doesn't help anyone to rant at him here. This is what he wants to be doing and he wants to know if he can do anything better. I actually have some legitimate suggestions for him in this area. You don't, so why come in and just bash him like that?

There are many things wrong with that statement but it does little good to correct them. (And yes, I realize you said "basically.")

As I said, I have some legitimate suggestions which I will make an effort to type up. (Even more so now that he's getting flak on here for posting it.)

Again, not saying you don't have a point, but I maintain that you're being unnecessarily harsh in making it. He's doing what he wants to be doing, for fun. Let him have his fun. You don't have to be a part of it.

Oh come on, let's not be melodramatic here. No one's killing music by making a recreation of a Doctor Who theme, poor or otherwise. And everyone starts somewhere. Not worth getting argumentative over. If you didn't enjoy it and you can't offer technical advice, you're not really in his intended audience. Of course you're welcome to post your opinion anyway, but don't be surprised when you get backlash like this from me and him.

FYI, he's older than both of us.

I'm in a bashful mood as of late.

Oh I'm not criticizing him FOR posting it, I'm just telling him I think it's shit.

Ah he started late then, no wonder it was so poor. Though he can only get better.

Anyway, said my piece now. Let me know when he makes something listenable.

bashful |ˈba sh fəl|
adjective
reluctant to draw attention to oneself; shy

This word — I do not think it means what you think it means.

Which is unhelpful.

Exactly. He can only get better.

Not really my job, and I doubt he'll go out of his way to find you. :)

I know but it was a word with bash in it, cut me some slack eh.

Course it's helpful, he'll stop making shit music in future. And if he doesn't find me, well that's fine, I'll just listen to the official versions of the Who theme.

Rich coming from you, sir.

I doubt that's the result it will have.

Please do. Spare yourself and us. Win win.

Haha, I love the implication that you believe he will continue to make shit music. That, sir, made me giggle.:)

I aim to entertain via misinterpretation. Good to know I'm doing well at it.

You tell 'em Danny!

Yeah, you GET that BIG NASTY MAN. Go on, make him SQUIRM.

Sycophant.

You've been Plan weird, stupid, loud, obnoxious, and a lately to Zeo
You get him a fucking orchestra library

Am I forgetting anything? And Should I run?

I won't get him an orchestra library because whether or not he advances himself is of little consequence to me.

And loud?

ah DO BELIEVE DEMS WAS WRITTEN SWEET AYSE :cool:

This thread gets 4/10. Lots of rage, but there's no style, Ron. Few lulz, either. Remember, aim to entertain. If we're laughing at your opponent, you're winning.

Entertainment? I was genuinely making serious comments about his shit track.

Hey, all I can say is that saying that a midi file of something is shit simply because it is midi is quite frankly, closed minded and unintelligent. And it just shows that you know absolutely NOTHING in how to create, orchestrate or program music yourself. So until you can even do an ounce of what Zeo did with midi, don't criticize his capabilities.

Now, in my honest opinion, there are very minor flaws in the piece. But it is for the most part, very accurate. All I can say is that if Zeo is new at this, then he's very good for a beginner, 'cos it is a very tight recording.

Here's something Ronnie didn't know. Quite often, recordings that he will have heard would have been entirely midi based, even though sounding like an authentic orchestra. The Dark Knight for example, the entire score was made ENTIRELY on Cubase, and there isn't a real instrument to be found in it, all midi.

Right, sorry to jump in late in the game, but I'd thought I'd wait until I had something really valid to say.

Edit: If those were serious comments, then I'd hate to see what an unserious one is. 'Cos quite frankly, what little criticism that was out there was outweighed by needless insulting.

The difference being that Zimmer's score sounds authentic and electrifying, Zeo's mix sounds like a midi.

I'm also pretty sure that the string instruments that Zimmer sampled for the score were real string instruments.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1WykD...layer_embedded

The fact is, of course it's gonna sound relatively midi, he just fancied doing the mix with what he could. Bare in mind I don't think Zeo has any interest in becoming a serious musician, and just did the recording for fun. As far as midi sounding goes, I've heard a lot worse. If you think it is as "shit" as you say, if you think you can do better, go ahead.

i don't think i could do better as i'm not much of a musician but if i was i wouldn't post something that i knew wasn't much cop to begin with. i'm also not a city planner but fuck me that millennium dome was a waste of space for a good few years wasn't it. see how you can still think something is shit (like zeo's track) without having to be a specialist in the field? good, otherwise no one would have opinions and it'd be shit.

oh also was i right about Hans Zimmer using real string instruments and that that fuck off cello being played wasn't a hologram or some other digital simulation of an instrument? ah yes, so I was.

then i guess this is just one big fail thread

i wasn't really making a serious comment. well i'm serious when i say i think it's shit but not in much else