I'll miss you Chris.

So be it then...

Oh look RV is a mod now.
Now I really hope James doesn't come back. :P

I agree with you.

I wouldn't say I'm bullied, people try to get at me but I've learned just to overlook it.

But the recent thread about James was nasty. I was thinking about it the other day. I did post in there, nothing to serious just a quote of his but I still feel bad about it.

Ronnie said to me a while back that I try to jump on the DSF bandwagon and I actually think he is right. I try to fit in sometimes but some people try to push me back out or try to get at me. But if I don't try to fit in I'm completely ignored.

But this is about James, I had to get that off my chest!

Well, I can't believe what this forum has begun, it used to be a safe haven for me. A 2nd home, now it is only a place of poison, and I can't believe how many arrogant people are on here, so it is with much saddness that I report that I am bailing this sinking ship.
Good Bye

BEN! Don't go! WE LOVE YOU!!!! :( :(

No seriously that's not sarcasm.

I'm afraid, in order for me to change my mind, then the people running this place would have to stop being arrogant, bullying bastards. I don't care if I get banned for saying that, because Danny has become just like Hitler, and all who are following what he says whole-heartedly are just plain and simply his Nazi's.
Or, in other terms, Danny is Davros, and RV is Nyder, and all the others are just the other Kaleds, who can't decide who's side they're on.
It seems bloody unlikely there will be change, I will NOT say what's needed to change, because just the fact that I'd need to means that the people on here HONESTLY don't see anything wrong with their actions, and I'm afraid that that is just extremely disheartening.
Sorry.

This place is breaking apart. I can't handle it.

Dear lord.

The heck is going on in here?

Chris. I don't wish to see you leave, or you Ben. But calm down for a moment and stop ranting about injustice and 'poison' and all these over dramatic terms.

Going against the wishes of an administrator of a website, of any place, is bad etiquette and shows a lack of respect. You wouldn't do it in real life to your boss, now would you? If you felt that strongly, you should have dropped Danny a PM, email or hit him up on chat.

Chris, Ben. Neither of you responded to my post and answered with what you'd like to see done. All you've done so far is post wild threads citing how horrible things are and that you'll leave. If you auctually want to fix this problem, please post something constructive towards fixing it.

I don't mean this in a rude manner, but take a chill pill, please. :\

Nice Genesis of the Daleks analogy. Maybe we should put everyone who wants to leave in a room and let our Daleks shoot them

PS Yes I know the rest of us will all get shot by the Daleks as well about 5 minutes after that, but I was trying to to mention that point.

I'm with ben on this, I may have said I am quitting, and I am not changing with that. But I have monitored the boards today to see what was going to have been said, and I would only return if things did change A LOT.

Mind explaining where all this is coming from? Danny unlocked a thread twice, then removed Chris's Mod powers when he went against Danny's wishes. This isn't an uncommon thing to do.

Now you're comparing him to Hitler and all sorts of wild things. This sounds like an angry, pointless rant.

Mind backing this up with some solid reasoning? Everyone seems to have already forgot James P in favor or sniping Danny and RV. Did you go back and read his intro thread? Did you go back and read the posts we were citing?

I'm very surprised at both you and Chris, Ben. You pop up after being silent for awhile and having taking part in the James jokes, acting extremly holier than thou and talking down to the members of this board. And I have still not seen suggestions about what you'd like to change to make this a better place.

I never took part in the "James" jokes, as you call them.

Kody, I would quite happyily tell you the things i want changed, but at the end of the day Danny does not care and I seriously doubt he or anyone would listen, the only interest he showed was when he punished me for defending a member, then acted all paranoid by calling it a betrayal. Would there be any point listing proposed changes?

Uh yeah, I do it all the time. You just need to be sure that whatever you're doing turns out either better or just as well as the way he wanted you to do it.

Thank you for finally addressing it at least.

I think Danny does care, though and would listen. He's not punishing you for defending a member, but for re-opening a thread he had closed. This is akin to doing something your boss just told you not to to.

Anyway. You seem like a very smart and intelligent guy from the time I've known you on these boards and it honestly seems like your a bit wound up on emotions. I would be in your case as well. You may just want to take a healthy step back, chill out, then talk to Danny privately. There's no use in this thread, at this point. Talking to someone one on one can make a big difference.

Well, point. ;)

But when it goes badly, not so good. :eek:

Then I heartily apologize, I thought you had. My other point still stands though, please tell us what you would like to see done.

Also, please refrain from calling people Hitler and all sorts of other comparisons. C'mon, Danny and RV aren't name calling from what I've seen.

I still insist people are way to wound up about this right now. I've been in my fair share of 'net arguments', or just arguments between people in general. I've even worked as a counselor before. In situations like this it's usually the best course for people to chill out, then talk with each other one on one.

It's not you I am annoyed at Kody, you have conducted yourself very well during all of this and if it seemed like I was taking it out on you I do apologize. I could talk to Danny one on one, but so far i have the distinct impression he does not care, he considered what I did a betrayal, and if thats the case i probably did betray him, because it was the right thing to do. He was quite happy to let picking on a member continue, and take part in it himself, I don't trust him and I have no faith in his management of the forums. The fact he thinks himself to be perfect, beyond criticism and that whatever he does is right makes this place sound like a dictatorship. I say again that under no circumstance should we have to resort to bullying because someone won't listen, we can be better then that, there is another better way. It's true James did not listen, but then we all began to act like kids and began to take everything out on him, it speaks volumes for us. I've admitted my shame and I stand by my decisions, I am sorry for attacking James, I wanted to try and do things properly, I don't regret re locking that topic, because it was bullying someone, if Daryl had done it Danny would have instantly shut it. I stand by decision to leave unless things will change, but i won't say what until I know he is prepared to listen and take into consideration whats happened, the way something should be done.

I completely agree. You should have a chat with Danny where you are all free to say what you think without reprocutions as long as it isn't offensive.

That way you could discuss what you want changed without and how you may do it without upsetting Danny and him giving you a straight ban or something like that, and end up not being able to discuss it properly.

Thank you. No apology needed, regarding me anyways.

This is just your, as you say 'distinct impression'. Have you approached him via a private message? Have you tried to contact him on Google talk or one of his other IM's?

You can think anything you'd like, but until you speak to him one on one, it's speculation. (This is just fact in my eyes, not an attempt to speak down to you in any manner at all.)

You keep mentioning 'Daryl'.. maybe it's just me, but I honestly don't know who that is. Must have been way before my time here. Is there a point you keep mentioning him or is it to stir up old things?

Do you want all of us to admit our 'shame' and openly apologize? Will this magically fix your issues with what happened to James? Many of us have already pointed, for one, back to his intro thread to show the effort that was put into welcoming him.

Oh, re-quoting something..

Did Danny ever say that? From all I know of him, he's perfectly open to criticism. But when it comes to the website, what he was trying to stress is that he owns it, runs it and dislikes people going against something he said without even consulting him. I know it's a tricky subject to word. Danny is reacting to a breach in trust / respect.

Ayia.. at this point, I'm really not sure what else to say. Good luck and happiness to you Chris, if you do end up leaving, but I really would like to see everyone stay.

Absolutely there would be a point, because I absolutely care. You've known me for years, Chris, and I find it not only hurtful but kind of offensive to assume you think I'm an unfeeling jerk who doesn't care about others. That's simply not the case, and I would expect you to know that better than most.

Absolutely spot-on.

Entirely agreed here. I think the best thing would be for the people involved to step back and chill out, as Kody says. Then return and talk sensibly when your judgment is not clouded by such harsh negative emotions.

I'm sorry, but that's simply not how things work. I picked you to serve as a staff member here because I trusted you. What you did blatantly violated that trust. Think about that for a moment. I don't care what you think is right or wrong; there is a chain of command here, and if you have a problem with my actions or behavior, you bring it to me directly. You never ever go behind my back and implement something without having me on board. That's not only a betrayal, but as Kody says, is disrespectful.

Just because I have a sense of humor and a desire to enjoy myself on my own web site does not mean I have no management abilities. If that were the case, I should think you would find yourself on a different web site after four years here. I am certainly far from perfect and very easy to criticize, and I make no claims to the contrary (and never have). Although I do have to point out that this most certainly is a dictatorship. There's nothing wrong with a dictatorship by definition -- it just means one person has total power, and on my web site, people have to play by my rules. That's not unreasonable. It's my name dot com for crying out loud.

Of course there is, but this is the internet. It can be fun sometimes. There are people that just don't fit in, and if that's the case, then we can poke fun at them if we want to. Like RV said, it's not our job to change to suit every member who walks through the front door, and it's not our decision who decides to spend their time here and why. I once had a bad experience on another forum, where one of my Doctor Who themes was posted without credit. I registered an account and claimed ownership of the theme, and I was berated and insulted and called a liar for trying to take credit for what was mine. So you know what I did? Rather than pushing the issue further, I left that site and never returned. It wasn't hard, either. I was bullied, so I walked away immediately. If this is really that much of a problem for James P. or anyone else, then they would (or at the very least should) do exactly the same thing.

I'm prepared to listen to everything you have to say. I readily admit that I am not perfect and neither are these forums, but I still believe that you are all overreacting to something that you shouldn't be. Do what Kody says and leave for a few days if you think it would help. Cool down. We'll be here when you get back.

Thank you for posting Danny, I can praise you for that, while i still am intending on leaving I will at least get back to you with what i think needs to happen and perhaps I will change my mind,

As for bring up Daryl what I will say about him is that he joined he bullied, harassed, spammed and generally treated everyone very badly, he would insult, cuss, spam at every opportunity, the board became a mess. It got to the point where Danny stuck perma-bans on them, and to make matters worse he had a group of friends who did the same thing, once they were banned they made an offensive website about the forums, the site got closed down but it was a very poor incident and one which should have been forgotten.

The point I was trying to make is that now the positions are kinda reversed, that Danny, RV and some others are being the bullies and the behavior is being endorsed and seemingly encouraged since Danny wants to leave the 101 one reasons topic open, plus he is also getting paranoid just because I was trying to stop the bullying, yes i went against a direct order but when your leader wants it up for the laughs it gives him does nothing but piss you off and get you angry because once upon a time, bullying would have never been tolerated, you loose faith and truth is someone you once looked up to as a good friend. I still see no reason for laughing at another members expense here. yet James was annoying but he never meant it and unlike Daryl he never did it deliberately, we can laugh at daryl because we were trying to stand up for ourselves, now I am standing up for someone who despite his issues, has shown the forum for what is becoming.

I'm not asking for everyone to change, what i am asking for is for more tolerance and respect for others, that is what the forum was all about and i feel we have lost our way with respects to that.

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I still mostly agree with you but the fact remains you can ONLY argue with words, not power. That's how wars start.

I think you're a little too wound up about it. I'm not saying I wasn't at some point, but I didn't post during that time. Besides, looking over old information I think James pretty much asked for it. Other than RV being RV none of us bullied him. Then he refused to take our advice to not listen to him, which was a REALLY bad move. And up to a point he continued to ignore us. I do think they went overboard, because he did start to settle down while they kept making fun of his every post. It's a little disheartening that that was tolerated, but if it is I'm not going to be too upset about it. That's just how it is. The only reason you lost your mod powers is because you used your powers against the admin's wishes. That's more disturbing than it sounds. I had a mod on my now-dead forum that did the same things and it made me really nervous.

Remember: The internet is not a democracy. Nor is this forum. Whether we like it or not.

Thank you for going back and looking over the old posts. Also, thank you for stating your views in a calm, collected manner. :)

The internet is anarchy, with lumps of occasional totalitarianism and, if you're unlucky, democracy. Democracy generally doesn't work on the internet, it decays back to lighter particles.

Despite taking a break Ben brought this thread to my attention. I just want it to be known that I had no influence on any of the posts made that started this argument, although I will admit I displayed a little distaste for some of the issues that have been raised to other members over MSN. Other than that I've had no part, and wish to take none either.

I'm sorry but...no. The rest of us have accepted responsibility for what happened whether we feel remorse for it or not...so should you man. Example. Let's look at say, the top three posters in that "101 reasons why james p is the coolest member of the board topic".

Maybe you had no part in it to begin with, but you sure as hell jumped on the bandwagon when it got rolling.
Everyone admits responsibility for this shit now, so don't try and take the moral high ground and back out of it now when you were just as much a part of it as everyone else.

By taking part I meant in encouraging Chris to make this thread. I had no part in that. I just wanted to clarify that, in case people think "wait Ronnie was talking about this on MSN he must have talked to Chris about it".

Well I didn't really infer that from your original posting...it's fairly obvious you had nothing to do with this since you haven't actually been mentioned until this point but, whatevers.

Well, I couldn't be too sure. Anyway, back into hiding :P

You just say stupid things from time to time. But unlike James, you sometimes actually have something constructive to say, not just constant attention whoring.

GODWINS LAW.

You are truly a valiant defender of the values of the Internet.

Danny and Me have been working on that. If we can make their monitors go bright enough remotely, we could exterminate them through radiation poisoning...

^ Even Ross gets it, kids. Even Ross gets it.

That was made of epic and win of the highest order. It brought a tear to my eye. The timing, the colors... beautiful.

That's high praise from RV, Mr. Minty. Be happy.

Absolutely inspiring.

Oh, yeah, I meant to tell you, I think I got this working. I'm pretty sure my test subject didn't just coincidentally die right as I started screwing with his monitor...

Happy days.

Seconded. Exceptional work, Josef. Truly. It's inspiring.

That's twice that he's gotten high praise from me.

And he thinks I hate him.

Thank you.

And Hates a strong word!

I would NEVER, EVER, EVER rejoin here! Even if my life depended on it. I'll ask you when I'd like to be deleted from the roster. Before that, I'm e-mailing Ben, Chris, Superkid. Anyone else want to apologize? I always give 2nd chances if you're being truly honest. Chris, I really appreciate this thread, your post literally brought tears to my eyes. I whole-heartedly welcome you and Ben into my group of friends!:)

EDIT: Hold on, looking at the 3 pages I missed... editing will commence shortly...

*Speechless* You may be on my side {I think...} but I'm keeping an eye on you... Picking on someone should never EVER be fun.

James, I'm only human. And this is the internet. I've been through some pretty bad drama on the internet. I've seen circles of friends be torn apart because of one person, friends of mine become enemies with a simple sentence, and I've weathered the pain that other friends took. I've swayed from side to side and said horrible things to fuel the fire. By now and it's difficult for me to care anymore.

I'm not really on anybody's side. It's not worth the effort to be. I just have opinions.

Touche... But if you had to pick a side which one would you choose? I'd like to know before I resign.

You never have to pick a side. You can just walk away. I'm notorious for what-if questions and usually enjoy answering them, but I won't answer this one. It's not worth the effort.

My opinion? I find it odd that you're still here. No, actually, I don't. You're absorbed into this and, even though it's abusive towards you you can't help but go back to rebute or find out who's on your side and who isn't. Find out whether things are going to get better for you or not. I've felt that way. Curiosity is tough to fight. But it's not worth it. You already take crap in real life don't you? Things are not going to get better for you here. I suggest for your own sake that you pack it up and leave. Just go. You have the choice, make the right one. Find some other way to contact Chris and Ben if you want to talk to them more.