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David Carter November 4, 2005 4:27 PM

I never said that I knew anything about the work that went into making the Doctor Who theme. I just said that between the end result of that and the themes John Williams creates, I like JW better. That's all.

Danny Stewart November 4, 2005 9:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Max Yittreas
I've heard the original theme, and... well, no need to rehash that. I'm sticking to ol' Johnny Williams.

You just did rehash it. And you have strange musical perceptions if that tune doesn't impress you the first time you hear it. It's just an amazing piece.

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Originally Posted by Ross Hendrie
Im not bashing Doc Who if that's what you're thinking Danny.

Nothing of the kind, Ross, no worries.

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Originally Posted by Chris Britton
Yes, no-one is, they like them both, just prefer Star Wars.

I wish. Max doesn't like it.

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Originally Posted by David Carter
I never said that I knew anything about the work that went into making the Doctor Who theme. I just said that between the end result of that and the themes John Williams creates, I like JW better. That's all.

And all I'm saying is that I can't understand why, but that's my opinion. You have yours and I have mine. I downloaded the Star Wars theme and listened to it just because of this thread, and my opinion of it lessened slightly. It can't stay on a platform as high as the Doctor Who theme in terms of final product or in work involved.

Also, check this out. Does the Star Wars theme have a similar site? Even if so, how many entries does it have? As you can hopefully see by now, the Doctor Who theme has created a much bigger impression on the music world, or at the very least, its electronic subcomponent.

Max Yittreas November 4, 2005 10:07 PM

I've been to dozens of sites dedicated to SW music...

David Carter November 4, 2005 10:51 PM

And I'm sure there are a lot of sites for that music because that music is very popular with the internet community, that still doesnt mean I like it more than I like John Williams, who also has sites dedicated to him and his creations.

Danny Stewart November 5, 2005 12:57 AM

I wanted one site like that with remixes of the Star Wars main title theme, that's all. No "well, there are lots of sites around here and there..." excuses. Every piece of music on the site I linked to is directly based on the Doctor Who main title theme. I want a similar site with anywhere near as many entries devoted only to the Star Wars main title theme and remixes or recreations thereof.

Chris Britton November 5, 2005 1:39 AM

There must be some about, with the scale of Star Wars n the internet community, there must be a few about. Maybe they are quite small sites. but a few should exist. Like David said, thee are sites, it is just a case of finding them and listening to what is on there I guess. Does anyone know where to find such a site?

Danny Stewart November 5, 2005 1:45 AM

I was trying to prove a point, Chris, not find an actual site. :P

Ross Hendrie November 5, 2005 8:23 AM

Lol, well you know Max, he'll come barging in with one at some point :P .

David Carter November 5, 2005 11:29 AM

There are tons of remixes and covers of Williams' themes. And I want to point out that while he is most known for the SW theme, he has done dozens of excellent themes for movies. What else has Delia Derbyshire done?

Note: I'm not implying that there is nothing else, I'm just curious.

Danny Stewart November 5, 2005 11:54 AM

Many, many pieces of electronic music, for the BBC and otherwise. I don't expect you to actually read this, but a lot of her work is covered here. You might want to just skim it -- she's done a lot.

EDIT: To make things easier, you can use your browser's Find feature to skim the page for references to "Delia," as that's how she's most commonly referred to on that site. As I said, you'll see quite a bit. (The person on the site seems to be, well, not the biggest Doctor Who fan. But it's still a good reference for Delia's work.

EDIT #2: If you are interested in Delia Derbyshire, you may visit her web site here. DO NOT click the link at the bottom of the page I linked to above -- that leads to DeliaDerbyshire.org, without a hyphen between. The domain name for that site expired, and was renewed by some unspeakably despicable lowlife who replaced it with a rape pornography site. Absolutely disgusting; like spitting on Delia Derbyshire's grave. I just wanted to note that in case you were tempted to click the link.


I like how they say: "There's also Delia's original Doctor Who theme of 1963, but reviewing that now is rather like reviewing, say, "My Generation" on a compilation of The Who; it's not that it's bad, it's just pointless considering its status as a cultural cliche and how much fascinating material there is surrounding it." :P

Max Yittreas November 5, 2005 3:28 PM

http://www.vanbasco.com


Type in Star Wars... and that's just MIDIs. :P

David Carter November 5, 2005 5:08 PM

Wow, Max... lol.

Danny Stewart November 5, 2005 6:15 PM

MIDIs don't count, Max, sorry. There are loads of Doctor Who MIDIs out there too, but I don't count those. I'm only counting the ones on Whomix, and I expect a similar site or set of remixes. Please try again. (Besides, that's only ten files -- my brother alone has done more Doctor Who MIDIs than that, and Whomix has over 150 actual MP3 mixes.)

EDIT: Doctor Who has more MIDIs than Star Wars on that very same site! ROFLMAO! :D :D :D

And it's not called DeliaDerbyshire.org anymore, Ross. But it still takes you to that disgusting site which is a terrible offense to the poor dearly departed Delia Derbyshire. :(

Chris Britton November 7, 2005 3:56 AM

Your borthers songs are very good, i have heard a couple, i wish you would show me mroe, as i really like them :)

Danny Stewart November 7, 2005 7:09 AM

His newer remixes are especially good. I can show you a few, even though they're still in beta. Let's start a new thread for that, shall we? (Or perhaps move to a more appropriate existing thread.)

David Carter November 9, 2005 5:39 PM

Banana Hammock

Ross Hendrie November 9, 2005 5:45 PM

Let's move to the remix thread you made, Danny.

Danny Stewart November 9, 2005 7:58 PM

Yes... David has made this not a safe place to be, with his words of Banana Hammock. :P

Josef Kenny July 5, 2006 2:18 PM

Does anyone remember Dick Mills, Brian Hodgeson, Peter Howell, Mark Ayres or anybody else in the Radiophonic workshop? To be honest I prefer Delia Darbyshires music because, no she didn't create a new style of music, she inspired a nation and more to realise the potential of a genere of music that is still (abiet in rapidly different form) popular today.

Danny Stewart July 5, 2006 5:36 PM

I don't like Mark Ayres. But don't tell him -- he thinks I do, as I e-mail him every now and then. Dick Mills gets partial credit, Brian Hodgson gets partial credit, and Peter Howell gets full credit. Thank you for reminding us of them though. :)

Ross Hendrie July 6, 2006 11:27 AM

I wouldn't have said that Danny because now he'll see that if he ever comes on the site.

Danny Stewart July 7, 2006 12:43 PM

He'd have to be a registered member to see that and I don't think he'll ever join. He's too egotistical. :P

(Ha! In your face, Mark!)

Ben Dawson August 7, 2006 5:31 AM

:tardis: :tardis: I can see both sides of the argument (for me it's got to be Delia Derbyshire), but nobody can say that what she did was just "tinkering to make a new sound", what she did was evolutionary, electronic music today wouldn't be the same without the original Doctor Who theme. And if you want to see how much work went into the original Doctor Who theme, just watch the documentary in the "Doctor Who: Beginning" boxset. But at the same time, John Williams is a great composer, but he just wouldn't cut it if he tried to do the Doctor Who theme. He may seem more sophisticated with his music than Delia Derbyshire was, but she was fantastic at what she did, creating electronic music that could scare the pants of you.
They are both great composers so there's nothing to really complain about, their music is for people to enjoy, not to fight over.:tardis: :tardis:

Danny Stewart August 8, 2006 12:31 AM

Ooh. Well said. :D

Ben Dawson August 8, 2006 3:30 AM

Thank you, really, their music is great for the TV show/Film that they represent, and when they do that, then there's little point in arguing over it.

Danny Stewart August 8, 2006 12:46 PM

Yes, very valid point.

Ronnie Rowlands August 10, 2006 6:32 AM

Why do you not like him? You must like him if you searched high and low for his extended theme. (which by the way eventually came from me :P) Or was it just to add to your collection?


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