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richardfoxy June 2, 2007 12:01 PM

Which Doctor Who Monster would you like to see back for the 21 Century?
 
I was reading an artical in TV ZONE Special looking at monsters from teh past to be reinvented for the new series. I would like to see the Ice Warriors back

Danny Stewart June 2, 2007 12:51 PM

I agree -- Ice Warriors would be excellent. Also the Sontarans, Silurians/Sea Devils maybe... Probably several more that I'm not thinking of at the moment.

Ronnie Rowlands June 2, 2007 2:00 PM

Daleks, Cybermen, Autons, The Master, The Macra? Surely that's enough for anyone! I'd like to see the Menoptra come back, just to see what they would look like :P

richardfoxy June 2, 2007 2:52 PM

wat about the least favorite creatures like the Macra, the Ood were very similar to the sensorites, could you image the Sensorite being possesed by the beast!

Ben Dawson June 2, 2007 3:02 PM

It maybe be a strange thing to wish for, but I'd quite like to see the Watcher return (who said it had to be a bad guy, but it isn't quite recognizable as a monster :().

Ronnie Rowlands June 2, 2007 3:12 PM

The Ood were more like the Voc Robots if you ask me.

Danny Stewart June 2, 2007 3:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Ronnie Rowlands (Post 36260)
The Master

We know nothing about the Master returning as yet. Please stop assuming you know what's going to happen later in the series -- it's very annoying, and I've told you to stop it before now.

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Originally Posted by Ronnie Rowlands (Post 36260)
The Macra

I'd hardly call that a "return" of the Macra. You heard the Doctor -- they used to be empire builders. Now they're just car smashers. :rolleyes:

Ronnie Rowlands June 2, 2007 3:52 PM

What d'you mean? They were the Macra. That means they came back, returned so to speak? Even if they were only car smashers, they were back.

Ben Dawson June 2, 2007 3:56 PM

I agree with Ronnie, even though they were in a highly dumbed down version.

Danny Stewart June 2, 2007 7:25 PM

I disagree. If the Doctor had said "Zorbitons" instead of "Macra" no one would have batted an eye. While it was cool that RTD name-dropped Macra, that's all it was -- a name drop. There was nothing about those giant crabs that made them specifically Macra... they were just generic bottom-of-the-motorway monsters.

Jez June 3, 2007 8:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Danny Stewart (Post 36276)
...generic bottom-of-the-motorway monsters.

Just like you see every day!:P

Danny Stewart June 3, 2007 12:36 PM

Yeah, well. They didn't need to be Macra, and there was nothing that specifically characterized them as such. :P

Dalek104 June 3, 2007 3:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Danny Stewart (Post 36273)
I'd hardly call that a "return" of the Macra. You heard the Doctor -- they used to be empire builders. Now they're just car smashers. :rolleyes:

I agree. It's like saying the Cybermen made a return in Series One when one briefly appeared in Van Statten's museum in 'Dalek'. :rolleyes:

MI7 June 3, 2007 3:50 PM

And saying the Macra didn't return because they were realised differently is like saying the Daleks didn't return in "Revelation of the Daleks" until the very end because they were just pawns of Davros rather than scheming Empire-builders :rolleyes:.

Sorry, the Macra came back. And if you don't want to accept that Russell listened to fans for once and brought back a monster that most people had neither heard of nor cared about and instead complain that they weren't proper Macra...I pity you. :(

Danny Stewart June 3, 2007 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Dalek104 (Post 36302)
I agree. It's like saying the Cybermen made a return in Series One when one briefly appeared in Van Statten's museum in 'Dalek'. :rolleyes:

Glad you're with me.

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Originally Posted by MI7 (Post 36303)
And saying the Macra didn't return because they were realised differently is like saying the Daleks didn't return in "Revelation of the Daleks" until the very end because they were just pawns of Davros rather than scheming Empire-builders :rolleyes:.

Sorry, the Macra came back. And if you don't want to accept that Russell listened to fans for once and brought back a monster that most people had neither heard of nor cared about and instead complain that they weren't proper Macra...I pity you. :(

No, sorry. "Realized differently" is one thing. Betraying (or more precisely ditching) the original concept of the race is quite another. While it was lovely to have the Macra appear, and it was, they were not at all Macra in any sense of the original. If Ian Stuart Black is still alive, he is probably quite disappointed. If he is dead, he is probably turning in his grave. He put some thought into making an original, evil, inventive, conquering monster and RTD turned them into mindless hulks that beat on cars because they gave off heat. James understands what I'm getting at here. They're essentially a betrayal of the original concept, and as I said earlier, there is really nothing beyond appearance (and enjoyment of certain tasty toxic gases) that makes those creatures Macra.

Superkid11 June 4, 2007 10:51 AM

I never saw them in their old series appearence... But it sounds like they were good villains on their own back then. At least they still sucked up gas. :P I just thought they could've made an effort to make them look a bit more alien. They just looked like giant crabs!

I agree, the Ice Warriors should come back. I never saw them either but they look cool(no pun intended...).
Maybe those parasitic wasp things from the Ark in Space too.

Ben Dawson June 4, 2007 1:20 PM

Maybe the Zarbi, that would fly right with me (no pun intended...or is there)...I wouldn't be...Bugged...by it.

richardfoxy June 5, 2007 2:21 PM

RTD did name drop the system where ther zarbi came from twice in season 1, you never know they mite just come back! If RTD is doing earth bound stories then why not use the Siluians and Seas Devils and he should use the Krynoid next year!

Danny Stewart June 5, 2007 5:19 PM

All of those (except maybe the Zarbi) I would welcome a return from.

Ronnie Rowlands June 5, 2007 5:22 PM

Zarbi sucked. And the fight scenes were so false. It was obvious they were trying not to break the damn things!

Ben Dawson June 6, 2007 1:26 PM

Erm...HELLO, it WAS a 60's Doctor Who serial, with CGI these days things could look so much better.

Superkid11 June 6, 2007 1:38 PM

That doesn't change the fact that the Zarbi were pretty much bipedal picnic ants.
(I really have no right saying that though since I never saw the episode. :P)

The more I think about it the more I'd love to see the Wirrn in action again. If only just a cameo, like a group of them flying past a ship.

Chris Britton June 15, 2007 6:31 AM

I know hes not really a Monster, but one thing i would love to know is the fate of Davros, in some extent or form, he was last seen in an escape pod and that was it. I wonder if his fate can be established.

Danny Stewart June 15, 2007 11:09 AM

I hope they establish it too -- "he's dead and never coming back" would be my goal. :P

Ross Hendrie June 15, 2007 11:30 AM

Davros shouldnt return, I finally agree with you Danny.

Danny Stewart June 15, 2007 11:59 AM

Yay! Finally Ross has seen the light. :D

Superkid11 June 15, 2007 1:18 PM

Agreed, Davros was crazy and ultimately useless to the daleks. ;)

If he were to come back alive though I'd rather he were involved with something other than the daleks. No daleks, just Davros doing his thing.
But for all it's worth I bet he just died in the time war.

Jez June 15, 2007 2:18 PM

You know, I scrolled rapidly down the page and could have sworn I saw Justin Lee-Collins in Ross' avatar.

MI7 June 15, 2007 2:26 PM

Davros was a fantastic character who, while weak in his encore Destiny performance and also arguably off in Resurrection, is a criminally underrated character in both Revelation and Remembrance. He's one of my favourites and he should definately see a return in the near future. They've left it wide open, with Dalek Caan being the last ever last last ever Dalek ever again.

Chris Britton June 15, 2007 3:00 PM

Actually, i do say that every Dalek story will see Davros return, and im always wrong ;)

Danny Stewart June 15, 2007 3:45 PM

In my opinion, Davros was only good in Genesis. He worked perfectly as a one-off character.

Ross Hendrie June 15, 2007 4:41 PM

Yeah Danny is right, he was brilliant for that arc. Now that we have the benefit of hindsight, it would have been better to get rid of Davros then.

richardfoxy June 16, 2007 6:45 AM

Davros' story was concluded in the Big Finish audio play Terra Firma, which starred Paul McGann

Chris Britton June 16, 2007 9:15 AM

However, the Big Finish audio plays, despite having the 5th through 8th Doctors and starring many of the actors and actresses who where on the show, the canonicity is unclear. So Davros' fate is still open.

I'm sorry if I did put this topic off topic, i mentioned Davros as I just want closure on his fate, although i would only want him back one, so I do agree with you, it just ties up the loose ends of his story ;)

Superkid11 June 20, 2007 3:55 PM

None of the audio adventures have been proven uncanon though now have they? ;)

Danny Stewart June 20, 2007 4:06 PM

Well, it's really up to the individual. Some people take them as canon and some don't. I personally view the audios as more canon than, say, the books, but that's just me.

Chris Britton June 20, 2007 4:50 PM

Danny is right, seeing as the audio plays have orginal actors. But thats not just it :)

I guess if i had to pick a specific monster or set of monsters. I would love to see the ice Warriors back. Given now nicely done the Cybermen and Daleks were done for this revival, I bet the Ice warriors could be pulled off well :)

Danny Stewart June 20, 2007 9:39 PM

Ice Warriors would be good, but I'd love to see new series Sontarans as well.

Ben Dawson June 21, 2007 2:05 PM

I'd like 'em both.
Now, would you condider Dimensions in Time canon just because it had the actors in? But true, it would be nice to be able to accept the audio stories for canon.

Danny Stewart June 21, 2007 3:16 PM

You all are horribly misconstruing what I said. I said I considered them more canon. Not canon, just more canon. And I didn't even give a reason -- I said nothing about actor involvement.


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