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Jamie Minty May 16, 2008 12:39 PM

Sontaran Trailer
 
Made my first video this week with iMovie on the Mac (brilliant, really simple) and used Sontaran Strategem and Poison Sky trailer with the Xray Dog - Dark Empire Remix 2.0 music and its worked out great.

Disappointed that the music came through in some bits (Its the whole world) but it was Murray's excellent musical climax.

So yeah, love to have some tips here and there. And I do realize that there is a little blip between the Doc shouting SONTARAN and Staal introducing himself and also between the Code Red Sontaran stuff.

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Danny Stewart May 16, 2008 3:52 PM

Less crossfading, more direct cutting.

Jamie Minty May 16, 2008 4:01 PM

No.

DefinitelyNotMurraysITGuy May 16, 2008 4:09 PM

I ask you sir, what were you thinking.

Jamie Minty May 16, 2008 4:12 PM

Errrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

WTF?

Danny explain. Please.

Oh and David Tennant is on Darren Brown

Oh and Danny the clips freeze and jump if I don't use transitions.

Danny Stewart May 16, 2008 4:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Jamie Minty (Post 47887)
Errrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

WTF?

Danny explain. Please.

Huh? Explain what?

DefinitelyNotMurraysITGuy May 16, 2008 4:16 PM

The obvious explaination Mr Minty, is that you're schizophrenic.

I would seek serious psychiatric assistance immediately, especially if you cannot recall making that post at all.

Murray went through a brief period like this after people laughed at Death at a Funeral. He didn't understand it was actually a comedy movie but dammit he was just too into his work composing for the film to take notice of what genre it was.

Jamie Minty May 16, 2008 4:27 PM

Comedy Gold on DannyStewartforums.com

Ronnie Rowlands May 16, 2008 4:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Jamie Minty (Post 47887)
Oh and David Tennant is on Darren Brown

Really? That's odd, he's also on 'Derren Brown'.

Danny Stewart May 16, 2008 4:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Jamie Minty (Post 47894)
Comedy Gold on DannyStewartforums.com

I've never visited that web site. Is it any good?

DefinitelyNotMurraysITGuy May 16, 2008 4:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Jamie Minty (Post 47894)
Comedy Gold on DannyStewartforums.com

Comedy Gold? Comedy Murray Gold?

Ronnie Rowlands May 16, 2008 4:36 PM

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So yeah, love to have some tips here and there.
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Originally Posted by Danny Stewart (Post 47883)
Less crossfading, more direct cutting.

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Originally Posted by Jamie Minty (Post 47884)
no

You're a complete and utter throttledyke, Jamie.

MI7 May 16, 2008 4:39 PM

Can you feel the love.

Jamie Minty May 16, 2008 4:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ronnie Rowlands (Post 47899)
You're a complete and utter throttledyke, Jamie.

If you had read earlier you'd understand.

Some "throttledyke" commented "It's shit" using my account. So I just edited it and said no.

But still thanks for trying to offend me ... Mark: F

MI7 May 16, 2008 4:46 PM

You boys shouldn't play so rough. Someone's gonna start cryin'.

What happens if you take Reset btw? Your title doesn't really fully persuade, I need details of the possible consequences rather than just a declarative statement.

Jamie Minty May 16, 2008 4:56 PM

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Originally Posted by MI7 (Post 47902)
You boys shouldn't play so rough. Someone's gonna start cryin'.

What happens if you take Reset btw? Your title doesn't really fully persuade, I need details of the possible consequences rather than just a declarative statement.

Watch Torchwood, then you'll find out that Flies will explode out of your tummy!

Don't think I can have something that long in the little sub-heading.

Thanks guys for going off topic with something I've done ... not at all annoying :D

Mind you this thread has the potential to be one of the good Off topic threads!

Should I bother posting the new version of the trailer?

MI7 May 16, 2008 5:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Jamie Minty (Post 47903)
Watch Torchwood, then you'll find out that Flies will explode out of your tummy!

Don't think I can have something that long in the little sub-heading.

Thanks guys for going off topic with something I've done ... not at all annoying :D

Mind you this thread has the potential to be one of the good Off topic threads!

Should I bother posting the new version of the trailer?

Yes please do.

And I've seen Torchwood, I was just being annoyingly pedantic as usual ;).

I like the offtopicness.

And the line breaks! Yay Line Breaks.

Jamie Minty May 16, 2008 5:04 PM

Okey Doke.

Everyones Pedantic

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Just making the odd lines clearer here and there. Explosion sound continued at end instead of the theme sound effects. And one new clip.

Jamie Minty May 16, 2008 5:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Ronnie Rowlands (Post 47896)
Really? That's odd, he's also on 'Derren Brown'.

A-N-A-L-A-S-I-S

Would of thought it would get boring.

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Originally Posted by Danny Stewart (Post 47897)
I've never visited that web site. Is it any good?

Its great. It smells funny though. A good smell nonetheless.

Ronnie Rowlands May 16, 2008 5:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Jamie Minty (Post 47905)
Okey Doke.

Everyones Pedantic

Do you mean 'Everyone's pedantic'?

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Originally Posted by Jamie Minty (Post 47906)
A-N-A-L-A-S-I-S

Do you mean 'analysis'?

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Originally Posted by Jamie Minty (Post 47906)
Would of thought it would get boring.

Would "have", actually.

Jamie Minty May 16, 2008 5:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Ronnie Rowlands (Post 47907)
Do you mean 'Everyone's pedantic'?

No


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Originally Posted by Ronnie Rowlands (Post 47907)
Would "have", actually.

Nope

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Originally Posted by Ronnie Rowlands (Post 47907)
Do you mean 'analysis'?

Maybe I meant ANAL - asis

To be honest I don't care what my spellings like ON THE INTERNET, because I'm ON THE INTERNET (a world made to be free of care).

Yorz Sinserely/\][
Jamie

Ronnie Rowlands May 16, 2008 6:19 PM

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Spelling and grammar. We frown upon poor spelling and grammar here. Look up words you don't know, and always construct complete, coherent sentences with a capital letter at the start and a period at the end.

No text talk. Absolutely no text talk or instant messenger shorthand. We never want to see "you" abbreviated as "u" or "hate" abbreviated as "h8." If what you're saying is worth hearing, it's worth writing out.
^^ The rules that you're rampantly shitting on :)

Danny Stewart May 16, 2008 6:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Jamie Minty (Post 47908)
To be honest I don't care what my spellings like ON THE INTERNET, because I'm ON THE INTERNET (a world made to be free of care).

How refreshingly naïve.

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Originally Posted by Ronnie Rowlands (Post 47909)
^^ The rules that you're rampantly shitting on :)

Thank you, sir.

Jamie Minty May 17, 2008 6:27 AM

It's called a typo. Its no big disaster if I spell Darren Brown Derren Brown. Everyone knows who I mean. Stop being so pedantic. COuld someone try and give a shit about the video instead of making it a nag-at-Jamie-Fest

Recurring Villain May 17, 2008 7:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Ronnie Rowlands (Post 47899)
You're a complete and utter throttledyke, Jamie.

Way to steal the snarky comment I was going to make not once, but twice;

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Originally Posted by Ronnie Rowlands (Post 47907)
Do you mean 'Everyone's pedantic'?

Do you mean 'analysis'?

Would "have", actually.

Seriously. This is what happens when I go out instead of lurking the internet.

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Originally Posted by Jamie Minty (Post 47901)
But still thanks for trying to offend me ... Mark: F

Attempt at wittiness: Mark F. F for Failcakery.

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Originally Posted by MI7 (Post 47902)
Someone's gonna start cryin'.

That's the point.

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Originally Posted by Ronnie Rowlands (Post 47909)
^^ The rules that you're rampantly shitting on :)

I'm quite sure the only rule on this forum is that you can do whatever you like, just as long as it doesn't annoy anyone. That is, anyone who Danny actually likes and/or the DSF collective conciousness.

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Originally Posted by Danny Stewart (Post 47910)
How refreshingly naïve.

Refreshing like when you have a bucket of hot piss poured over your head while you're wearing your favorite new jumper? Yeah, I suppose you're right.

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Originally Posted by Jamie Minty (Post 47934)
It's called a typo. Its no big disaster if I spell Darren Brown Derren Brown.

It can be if we want it to be.

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Originally Posted by Jamie Minty (Post 47934)
COuld someone try and give a shit about the video instead of making it a nag-at-Jamie-Fest

Anybody? Somebody? Please?

Jamie Minty May 17, 2008 9:02 AM

At least the words Failcakery and throttledyke are imaginative.

I'll give you that

Ronnie Rowlands May 17, 2008 4:05 PM

That is the first thing I consider when I make up a rather unusual word, 'WILL Minty like it?".

What's your opinion on 'buffoonaroid'?

Jamie Minty May 17, 2008 4:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Ronnie Rowlands (Post 47943)
That is the first thing I consider when I make up a rather unusual word, 'WILL Minty like it?".

Yay, I always dreamt it that way!


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Originally Posted by Ronnie Rowlands (Post 47943)
What's your opinion on 'buffoonaroid'?

The stuff that drops our of a dogs arse after eating curry.

No only joking, you have made my day Mr. Ron.

Ronnie Rowlands May 17, 2008 4:16 PM

Anyway, slightly off topic, but Sontaran related, I got the 'Bred for War' Boxset from HMV today, which has all of the Sontaran stories from the classic series. I watched 'The Time Warrior' this morning and thought it was alright, but not absolutely smashing. I'm going to presume Sontarans are more awesome when there are lots of them, and that 'The Two Doctors' will be good simply because Colin Baker AND Patrick Troughton are in it.

Danny Stewart May 17, 2008 5:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Recurring Villain (Post 47937)
Seriously. This is what happens when I go out instead of lurking the internet.

I know the feeling.

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Originally Posted by Recurring Villain (Post 47937)
Attempt at wittiness: Mark F. F for Failcakery.

Failcakery is my official word of the day. It may even make word of the week.

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Originally Posted by Recurring Villain (Post 47937)
I'm quite sure the only rule on this forum is that you can do whatever you like, just as long as it doesn't annoy anyone. That is, anyone who Danny actually likes and/or the DSF collective conciousness.

:cool:

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Originally Posted by Recurring Villain (Post 47937)
Refreshing like when you have a bucket of hot piss poured over your head while you're wearing your favorite new jumper? Yeah, I suppose you're right.

That is exactly the kind of "refreshing" I was referring to.

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Originally Posted by Recurring Villain (Post 47937)
It can be if we want it to be.

QFT.

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Originally Posted by Recurring Villain (Post 47937)
Anybody? Somebody? Please?

No, sorry. I already commented anyway. Too many crossfades. Kind of like "tl;dr" except more like "tmc;dc" (too many crossfades; didn't care).

Ronnie Rowlands May 17, 2008 5:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Danny Stewart (Post 47950)
Kind of like "tl;dr" except more like "tmc;dc" (too many crossfades; didn't care).

Wow, you should like totally do web coding or something.

Danny Stewart May 17, 2008 6:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Ronnie Rowlands (Post 47958)
Wow, you should like totally do web coding or something.

I agree, I should. Purely because of that remark. :P

Recurring Villain May 17, 2008 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Danny Stewart (Post 47950)
Failcakery is my official word of the day. It may even make word of the week.

I'm aiming for word of the year. Let's go team!

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Originally Posted by Danny Stewart (Post 47950)
Kind of like "tl;dr" except more like "tmc;dc" (too many crossfades; didn't care).

Fifty percent more characters, one hundred percent less ubiquity!

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Originally Posted by Ronnie Rowlands (Post 47958)
Wow, you should like totally do web coding or something.

CAUSE SEMICOLONS TOTALLY GIVE YOU CODING POWERS.

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Originally Posted by Danny Stewart (Post 47961)
I agree, I should. Purely because of that remark. :P

Ronnie is teh authoritar.

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Originally Posted by Ronnie Rowlands (Post 47945)
'The Two Doctors' will be good simply because Colin Baker AND Patrick Troughton are in it.

Colin Baker makes any episode of DW bad.

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Originally Posted by Jamie Minty (Post 47940)
At least the words Failcakery and throttledyke are imaginative.

I'll give you that

I like how, as soon as I enter the thread, you stop trying to stand up for yourself. Good form, you old card.

Jamie Minty May 18, 2008 7:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Recurring Villain (Post 47962)
I like how, as soon as I enter the thread, you stop trying to stand up for yourself. Good form, you old card.

Out of experience I know I can't win when you enter the thread.

I'm still not giving in to ummmm ... whatever it is.

BTW Danny, what do you suggest about the crossfades. I can only use different transitions because if I get rid of them the video jumps and freezes and it will all be out of sync.

Danny Stewart May 18, 2008 4:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Jamie Minty (Post 47978)
BTW Danny, what do you suggest about the crossfades. I can only use different transitions because if I get rid of them the video jumps and freezes and it will all be out of sync.

I don't know what the hell you're talking about. I just tried editing together random scenes from The Sontaran Stratagem in iMovie (both '06 and '08) and I had no problems with "freezing" or "jumping" or anything of that sort. It just worked, like it's supposed to.

Jamie Minty May 19, 2008 2:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Danny Stewart (Post 47986)
I don't know what the hell you're talking about. I just tried editing together random scenes from The Sontaran Stratagem in iMovie (both '06 and '08) and I had no problems with "freezing" or "jumping" or anything of that sort. It just worked, like it's supposed to.

I found out what it is. Its something else but complicated. It is my FIRST time of using it after all, not a surprise I got confused.

Made a Doomsday one in though with less fading at then end with the crucendo (no idea how you spell that).

But these aren't really trailer as they are very spoilery.

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Danny Stewart May 19, 2008 5:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Jamie Minty (Post 48018)
I found out what it is. Its something else but complicated. It is my FIRST time of using it after all, not a surprise I got confused.

One would think not doing a crossfade would be a relatively simple matter.

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Originally Posted by Jamie Minty (Post 48018)
Made a Doomsday one in though with less fading at then end with the crucendo (no idea how you spell that).

Crescendo.

And there's still too much fading.

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Originally Posted by Jamie Minty (Post 48018)
But these aren't really trailer as they are very spoilery.

Quite.

Kody May 19, 2008 9:59 PM

Well, if you want some constructive criticsim, I'll take a shot at it.

Work on the transitions, a few of them were rather jarring the way the frames went from one to another. The bubble transition.. thing, near the start was unneeded. Never use anything like that, in my opinion, just clean cuts.

The text you added was hard to read due to coloring / size.

Music was overpowering in some parts and the entire thing didn't have something "binding" it all together, music and background noise was going up and down, this way and that, all willy nilly.

Your also right in that it's not a trailer, more like an episode recap, considering it shows everything. Maybe try making those, over a trailer? Not saying you can't make a trailer, this is just nothing like one.

Overall, work more on making it bind together and have a sort of theme. The volume, background noise / music, colors, fonts used, etc... These all need to mesh together and not jump all over the place.

Hope that helps. :)

Danny Stewart May 19, 2008 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Larren (Post 48047)
Well, if you want some constructive criticsim, I'll take a shot at it.

Work on the transitions, a few of them were rather jarring the way the frames went from one to another. The bubble transition.. thing, near the start was unneeded. Never use anything like that, in my opinion, just clean cuts.

The text you added was hard to read due to coloring / size.

Music was overpowering in some parts and the entire thing didn't have something "binding" it all together, music and background noise was going up and down, this way and that, all willy nilly.

Your also right in that it's not a trailer, more like an episode recap, considering it shows everything. Maybe try making those, over a trailer? Not saying you can't make a trailer, this is just nothing like one.

Overall, work more on making it bind together and have a sort of theme. The volume, background noise / music, colors, fonts used, etc... These all need to mesh together and not jump all over the place.

Hope that helps. :)

Bingo.

Jamie Minty May 20, 2008 3:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Danny Stewart (Post 48032)
One would think not doing a crossfade would be a relatively simple matter.

It is. Basically when I click in the middle of a clip and press play it jumps for the duration of the clip and then goes to normal. Its just something that happens if I'm editing. (told you it was a long story)

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Originally Posted by Danny Stewart (Post 48032)
And there's still too much fading.

Well I think at the beginning and end of the Doomsday video it is effective (jumping through characters emotions) and I would like to keep it there. I'm starting to know what you mean though (in the middle) it becomes repetitive and takes out some excitement


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Originally Posted by Larren (Post 48047)
Work on the transitions, a few of them were rather jarring the way the frames went from one to another. The bubble transition.. thing, near the start was unneeded. Never use anything like that, in my opinion, just clean cuts.

I thought I would use the different transition so it isn't the same old transitions the whole way through. In the Doomsday one it was also meant to separate the Rose bits but I do think it looks out of place.

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Originally Posted by Larren (Post 48047)
The text you added was hard to read due to coloring / size.

I view full screen on iMovie and its OK. But watching it on my iPod I found it hard to read and also the read font in the Sontaran one was hard to see. I needed to use a lighter color.

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Originally Posted by Larren (Post 48047)
Music was overpowering in some parts and the entire thing didn't have something "binding" it all together, music and background noise was going up and down, this way and that, all willy nilly.

Don't like the fact Murray's music protrudes in the background sometimes. If I had Tom's program I could remove the incidental. Balancing the volume of clips will take a long time but I may look into it one day as it does annoy me.

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Originally Posted by Larren (Post 48047)
Your also right in that it's not a trailer, more like an episode recap, considering it shows everything. Maybe try making those, over a trailer? Not saying you can't make a trailer, this is just nothing like one.

Will call them recaps or summaries in future. Its just that the music I use is used in trailers a lot so I just automatically thought to call it a trailer.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Larren (Post 48047)
Overall, work more on making it bind together and have a sort of theme. The volume, background noise / music, colors, fonts used, etc... These all need to mesh together and not jump all over the place.

Hope that helps. :)

Instead of making these changes to my current videos I would like to integrate them into new ones. I would like to make a 42 one or the Series 3 finale (inc. Utopia). Might get onto making a Series Summary with Requiem for a dream or Preliator (Lacrymosa remix) for the music (as they are longer). What do you mean by jumping about? Would like to sort that out. I know there is one jumpy bit in the Sontaran "trailer".

Thanks, for the tips guys.


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