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Superkid11 July 11, 2008 9:05 PM

Favorite episode
 
Here's a rather predictable question but something that hasn't been yet asked and I've been very curious about. In the whole of Doctor Who, old series and new series combined, what is your favorite episode out of all the ones that you've seen?

Danny Stewart July 11, 2008 9:18 PM

Megan's probably going to say The Mind Robber.

As for me... it's between a few. The Tomb of the Cybermen, The War Games, Genesis of the Daleks, and The Talons of Weng-Chiang are front-runners. My opinion might be different tomorrow, but today I'll go with... The Tomb of the Cybermen.

Superkid11 July 11, 2008 9:23 PM

Thank you Danny but this -is- the ask Dominic Glynn forum. :P

But I just realized we don't have a thread like this for the rest of us either. Topic split maybe?

Danny Stewart July 11, 2008 9:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Superkid11 (Post 50610)
Thank you Danny but this -is- the ask Dominic Glynn forum. :P

But I just realized we don't have a thread like this for the rest of us either. Topic split maybe?

OMFG. Way to check what forum people are posting crap in, Danny. :o

Thread split is on its way.

EDIT: Okay, now we've got two copies. One here, and the original left undisturbed in Dom's forum. Sorry about that. :o

Superkid11 July 11, 2008 9:40 PM

Ah, all right!

Well... my experience with the old series is rather limited I'm afraid. My opinion will probably change as I see more and just as I, in general, start thinking harder about it, but my favorite so far seems to be Resurrection of the Daleks. ... probably because that was my first Doctor Who. Like I said, that's bound to change sooner or later.

Now if only they gave it the same special effects update they gave Revelation. It's not a big deal, but the invisible lasers are a little disappointing. ... well, for the most part. The Dalek Trooper's fire direction being invisible with just the weapon itself glowing actually made it pretty intimidating.

(I'm not just picking out of the old series. As I said in the original post, I'm picking it out of the entirety of Doctor Who. Or at least what I've seen.)

Mister_Wilbur July 11, 2008 10:07 PM

Original Series: Tie between Rememberance of the Daleks and City of Death

New Series: Dalek.

Danny Stewart July 11, 2008 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Mister_Wilbur (Post 50615)
Original Series: Tie between Rememberance of the Daleks and City of Death

New Series: Dalek.

The point is to group the old series and new series together and pick one favorite out of everything. Separate favorites for the old and new series kind of kills that. :P

Mister_Wilbur July 11, 2008 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Danny Stewart (Post 50616)
The point is to group the old series and new series together and pick one favorite out of everything. Separate favorites for the old and new series kind of kills that. :P

Ah, shoot... Well I'll have to do a bit of thinking then... Remembrance of the Daleks. It was one of the first Doctor Who serials I'd seen, and it also has the plus of being the first serial aired after I was born.

Recurring Villain July 12, 2008 4:35 AM

Dalek.

Josef Kenny July 12, 2008 8:47 AM

Caves of Androzani

Ronnie Rowlands July 12, 2008 11:40 AM

The Sound of Drums.

Danny Stewart July 12, 2008 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Ronnie Rowlands (Post 50626)
The Sound of Drums.

..............................................

Seriously?!

Ronnie Rowlands July 12, 2008 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Danny Stewart (Post 50627)
..............................................

Seriously?!

Yes. Either that or 'The Daleks'.

Alexus July 12, 2008 12:31 PM

My favourite finale would be Utopia/TSOD/LOTTL.

If I had to choose a single episode it would be Blink or TSOD or LOTTL.

Or POTW.

Shit, this is hard.

Megan July 12, 2008 7:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Danny Stewart (Post 50608)
Megan's probably going to say The Mind Robber.

Hells yes. I loves me some Patrick Troughton. ;)

Danny Stewart July 12, 2008 8:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Megan (Post 50632)
Hells yes. I loves me some Patrick Troughton. ;)

I win!

Danny Stewart July 12, 2008 8:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Recurring Villain (Post 50620)
Dalek.

Sad.

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Originally Posted by Rat Souffle (Post 50622)
Caves of Androzani

You, sir, win.

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Originally Posted by Ronnie Rowlands (Post 50629)
Yes. Either that or 'The Daleks'.

You are forgiven because of The Daleks.

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Originally Posted by Alexus (Post 50630)
My favourite finale would be Utopia/TSOD/LOTTL.

If I had to choose a single episode it would be Blink or TSOD or LOTTL.

Or POTW.

Shit, this is hard.

So RTD's second biggest clunker beat out the entire old series. How depressing.

Recurring Villain July 12, 2008 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Danny Stewart (Post 50634)
Sad. :mad::mad::mad:

Fix't.

Superkid11 July 12, 2008 10:13 PM

Oh snap.

This is going to be good...

Alexus July 13, 2008 5:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Danny Stewart (Post 50608)
The Tomb of the Cybermen.

Ah, an episode I enjoyed slightly on Youtube is your favourite, beating out the entire new series and all the really good old series episodes.

How depressing.

Ronnie Rowlands July 13, 2008 5:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Danny Stewart (Post 50634)

You are forgiven because of The Daleks.

Eh? Forgiven for what, exactly?

Alexus July 13, 2008 5:57 AM

Being wrong.

Josef Kenny July 13, 2008 8:06 AM

WRONG!

Danny Stewart July 13, 2008 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Alexus (Post 50685)
Ah, an episode I enjoyed slightly on Youtube is your favourite, beating out the entire new series and all the really good old series episodes.

How depressing.

You're damn right it beats out the new series, and I shudder to think what your definition of a "really good old series episode" includes.

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Originally Posted by Ronnie Rowlands (Post 50686)
Eh? Forgiven for what, exactly?

Naming a Russell T Davies script as your all-time favorite episode of Doctor Who. Except actually, now that I think about it, even naming The Daleks doesn't excuse you from that.

Alexus July 13, 2008 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Danny Stewart (Post 50690)
You're damn right it beats out the new series, and I shudder to think what your definition of a "really good old series episode" includes.

In no particular order, City of Death, Genesis of the Daleks, Spearhead from Space, that sort of thing.

Megan July 13, 2008 2:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Alexus (Post 50691)
In no particular order, City of Death, Genesis of the Daleks, Spearhead from Space, that sort of thing.

Whoa. Danny can't get mad at you for those. He handpicked Spearhead from Space and Genesis of the Daleks in his effort to expose me to the old series. I think you're safe...for now.

They were both awesome, btw. Good picks! :D

MickJo July 13, 2008 3:17 PM

Inferno followed by The Ark in Space, Caves of Androzani and Rememberence of the Daleks

Ronnie Rowlands July 13, 2008 3:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Danny Stewart (Post 50690)
Naming a Russell T Davies script as your all-time favorite episode of Doctor Who. Except actually, now that I think about it, even naming The Daleks doesn't excuse you from that.

I see. Sometimes I wonder how I even live with myself.

Alexus July 13, 2008 4:00 PM

I don't know why you're continuing with this, Ronald. You know it's pointless.

Just end it, Friend.

End it now.

Jamie Minty July 13, 2008 4:15 PM

Old: Genesis Of The Daleks, Its either that, 5 Doctors or Carnival of Monsters (all I have seen :( )

New: Tough but probably Utopia

Danny Stewart July 13, 2008 6:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Jamie Minty (Post 50699)
Old: Genesis Of The Daleks, Its either that, 5 Doctors or Carnival of Monsters (all I have seen :( )

New: Tough but probably Utopia

People don't read. :(

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Originally Posted by Danny Stewart (Post 50616)
The point is to group the old series and new series together and pick one favorite out of everything. Separate favorites for the old and new series kind of kills that. :P


BritCanuck July 14, 2008 1:56 AM

The thing with "Doctor Who" is that you can never pick just one favorite episode. Despite the varying quality of writing that prevails even today, every episode had its moment.
It’s just one of those shows where you could go on for hours about what you liked (or didn’t like) about every episode you’ve seen.

Case in point: "Genesis of the Daleks".

Great intro for Davros, and in another timeline, they would have ended the Davros storyline there, and not carried it on to the point where each subsequent Dalek episode in the Classic Series became "The Davros Show" With Special Guests The Daleks (though Julian Bleach was great in "Journey’s End").

The whole morality issue ("Do I have the right?") was perhaps the story’s defining moment, and was touched upon in subsequent Dalek episodes.

Drawback: Davros’ experimental clam would probably have some of us wishing for a return appearance by the Adipose.

Now that’s just one classic episode. If you want, I could tell you why I thought "Delta and the Bannermen" was my favorite Season 24 episode…

Quote:

Ian Stewart: You know, if you were to take Journey's End back in time and show it to the people who created the show back in 1963, I think they would just stop.
More likely, they would figure out a way to have the Doctor or his companions push Daleks around just for fun, or vice versa ("Evil of the Daleks", part five cliffhanger).
"Trains…trains…trains…"

http://doctorwho.time-and-space.co.uk/coppermine/displayimage.php?album=152&pos=1693
"Journey's End" screencap courtesy of the "Doctor Who: Time and Space" website.
May make voters who scored "Journey’s End" with a negative number feel nauseous.
Viewer discretion is advised.

Jamie Minty July 14, 2008 3:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Danny Stewart (Post 50706)
People don't read. :(

Lol sorry, I just read a comment from the first page and followed suite.

Utopia

Danny Stewart July 14, 2008 3:33 PM

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Originally Posted by BritCanuck (Post 50708)
Drawback: Davros’ experimental clam would probably have some of us wishing for a return appearance by the Adipose.

Um, no. Just because it looked cheesy doesn't make it horrendously flawed on a conceptual level.

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Originally Posted by BritCanuck (Post 50708)
If you want, I could tell you why I thought “Delta and the Bannermen” was my favorite Season 24 episode…

Sure, go ahead.

Ross Hendrie July 14, 2008 4:04 PM

Genesis of the Daleks. That is all.

BritCanuck July 14, 2008 7:45 PM

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Originally Posted by BritCanuck (Post 50708)
If you want, I could tell you why I thought "Delta and the Bannermen" was my favorite Season 24 episode…

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Originally Posted by Danny Stewart (Post 50722)
Sure, go ahead.

At Danny's request, here is Brit Canuck's review of "Delta and the Bannermen".

Disclaimer: bear in mind that I labeled this as my favorite Season 24 story, not the best Season 24 story.

Well, okay. Upfront, this was part of Season 24 of the Classic Series, widely regarded as the worst season in terms of quality, not to mention the season with the most British TV celebrities shamelessly guest starring (wacky comedian Ken Dodd had a glorified cameo in the first episode of this one). And the whole idea of running around a holiday camp in South Wales dodging alien mercenaries and bounty hunters will sound to some even more laughable than much of the plot of "Partners in Crime".

There was also children’s TV personality Bonnie Langford ("Saturday Starship") to contend with, but to be fair, a) her successor was also a children’s TV personality who lucked out and got better scripts than Langford, and b) everyone pointed and laughed when Catherine Tate’s return at the beginning of this past season was announced, and she quickly proved most of them wrong, so let’s give Bonnie the benefit of the doubt for now.

Here’s what I thought "Delta and the Bannermen" did have in its favor.

1) A strong, capable supporting heroine.
Delta, the Chimeron Queen, played by acclaimed (and also doomed-"Krull"-villainess-turned-goodie) actress Belinda Mayne, most of her race wiped out, baby daughter with an astronomical growth rate and a singing voice louder than an opera singer in tow, being chased around the galaxy by Don Henderson, with Sylvester McCoy coming to her rescue. Argubly a dramatic plot going there. Seems like a damsel in distress, but able to hold her own in a couple of battle scenes. Characters like that are few and far between on the New Series, and their survival rate is usually kind of low, too.

2) A fairly good supporting character who was actually, genuinely considered as a new Companion.
Rachel (aka. Ray), the girl with the motor scooter and the satchel full of every conceivable tool ever known to mankind (even a Dinky Allen Key, if I remember correctly), played by then-future "Emmerdale" actress and later home shopping channel personality Sara Griffiths. (Never saw "Emmerdale", but wasn’t Sara’s character romantically linked to a character played by Frazer "Jamie" Hines?) Ray was just a supporting character, but spent a good amount of time with the Doctor throughout the story and developed a small but passable rapport. With her bag of tools and his bottomless pockets, they would probably have made a good pair together in the TARDIS, had Bonnie made up her mind a little quicker.

3) Don Henderson.
The Bannermen leader Gavrok made a pretty good villain, not one of the usual bwah-ha-ha-ha types, but ruthless (vaporizing his own hired bounty hunter instead of paying him) and cunning (always one step behind our heroes), but interesting in many respects, from his willingness to join his troop of hapless extras on the front line, to his fondness for raw meat. (Plus, he’s the one who finally gets rid of Ken Dodd’s character, making him a hero to many critics.)

You’ll also find some similarities to an average RTD story here, including a silly love story involving two different species (Delta + Billy = Doctor + Rose), a gratiously high body count (including an entire busload of wacky space tourists), and an almost total lack of sense, sensibility and logic. It’s a shame RTD isn’t remaking this, really – could he do better or worse than original scribe Malcolm Kohll?

And before I forget, there’s that infamous cameo by music man Keff McCulloch as that doo-wop backup singer.

Overall, "Delta and the Bannermen" is light years away from being the best episode of "Doctor Who" – in fact, it’s more likely one of the downright silliest episodes. But throughout it all, there’s a sense of relatively upbeat fun, and perhaps a little nostalgia for those who have actually spent a week at a holiday camp on a high school trip, as I once did. Coming in the middle of Season 24 as it did, "Delta and the Bannermen" is still unexpectedly full of fun.

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Originally Posted by Danny Stewart (Post 50722)
Just because (the clam in "Genesis of the Daleks") looked cheesy doesn't make it horrendously flawed on a conceptual level ("Partners in Crime").

I love the way you think sometimes.

Danny Stewart July 15, 2008 1:56 AM

BC, I love ya and all, but could you please stop writing posts with such horrendous formatting? [FONT] and [SIZE] tags around every paragraph, and having most of your post show up in Times New Roman instead of Trebuchet MS is really disorienting and makes your posts very unpleasant to read.

BritCanuck July 15, 2008 7:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Danny Stewart (Post 50746)
BC, I love ya and all, but could you please stop writing posts with such horrendous formatting? [FONT] and [SIZE] tags around every paragraph, and having most of your post show up in Times New Roman instead of Trebuchet MS is really disorienting and makes your posts very unpleasant to read.

Sorry about that. The entire review was copied and pasted from a Word document. I'll see if I can switch it over to Trebuchet MS.

Danny Stewart July 15, 2008 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by BritCanuck (Post 50747)
Sorry about that. The entire review was copied and pasted from a Word document. I'll see if I can switch it over to Trebuchet MS.

I was more hoping for the removal of the extraneous tags altogether, but I'll take what I can get. :P

EDIT: I've gone ahead and cleaned up your post for you, removing all the extraneous formatting and cleaning up a bunch of crap Word left behind (like smart quotes... *shudder*). Might I suggest that in future, if you decide a post warrants writing outside the browser, that you use a plain text editor such as Notepad instead of something like Word which leaves horrendously slaughtered formatting all over the place?

James P. July 15, 2008 12:13 PM

Old series: Timelash & The Invasion
New Series: Dalek & The Unquiet Dead

Kill me for Timelash but I actually like it. It has a cool premise and the Borad was executed in an exquisite manner. If this had been done in Eccleston's era just think of the SFX improvements. But I wouldn't have the androids changed however, they hit gold there, too. :)


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