Debney Mix by Zeo
 

Here's my Debney theme. It's not finished, this is merely a version uploaded for feedback. One problem I have (apart from the crap instruments) is how to do the transition from the middle 8 to the melody which according to wikipedia is the A minor to E minor transition.

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/7058628/Doctor Who - Debney Mix.mp3

Edit: Update Track.

Pretty Good!

needs shredding

Unfortunately I don't have the time to do a detailed analysis right now, but your tempo should be significantly slower. I don't know what the Debney theme's tempo is off the top of my head like I do the other themes, but definitely slower than what you have now. You've also got some wrong notes here and there and mixing issues, but it's a good start. I'll try and write out my comments more coherently later.

It sounds like a fucking MIDI.

Get that shit off DSF.

Not all of us have orchestra libraries.

And those people shouldn't post tinny, lame and unenthralling music.

And you've met Stephen Fry and Alan Davies for shame. They would be aghast at your attitude.

Yeah it's not up to Danny's music, but he's right I don't have the money for a orchestral library so I have to make do with soundfonts like, Squidfont/SJOrchestral/Bellatrix. And at the end of the day this is just a hobbie of mine so if you don't have anything constructive to say then don't say anything at all thanks.

I've spoken to Stephen Fry many times and he has yet to be aghast.


I just did. Get that shit off and come back when you have more authentic sounding software that doesn't sound like someone strangling a cat that's trying to play a MIDI keyboard. In fact, compose your own music so people can see your true credentials as a composer.

I'm sorry that actually having some activity on these boards is upsetting to you Ronnie.

As Danny said, Zeo is experimenting with making music, despite how you feel about it.

Yelling at people that are trying to be creative or actually, you know, trying to learn something new is pretty lame.
If you don't like the music, use constructive criticism.

^- Does not count, BTW. Unless that is your limit of intelligence.

I don't want to compose new original music, that is not what interests me at all. I also don't care about having credentials, I just wanted some feedback - which you gave - although it's not something I can do much about I'm afraid. Sorry.

Upsetting, who's upset? I'm not fussed about more activity at all, I just didn't enjoy listening to the mix.

And, unless what is the limit of my intelligence, Kody, telling someone to start sharing music when it's actually of a listenable quality? I gave my constructive criticism. Get authentic orchestra sounds.

I'm not sure whether or not the difference in tempo was intentional or not, but I'm not too fond of it. Other than that, and that which Ronnie is RAEGing pretty badly about, I like it. It's pretty solid. Not much more I can say really, as it's pretty much a note-for-note recreation of the Debney theme. :/

The tempo is wrong indeed, I set it at 140bpm as it made it easy to construct the theme and was what I was used to. It is supposed to be a faithful fan made version of Debneys piece rather than his arrangement with a new sound (ignoring the shit instruments). This isn't a final version, rest assured, but it was the best I could muster without getting outside feedback.

Perhaps I should have said that this is NOT a final version and was merely posted for feedback. I'll edit my post so no one else will get the wrong idea. Sorry for the confusion. Also if I wanted to share this track I would have submitted it to Whomix.

i love flame wars

top billing ronald

I consider a constructive response to be something along the lines of:

"I'd recommend you'd take a look at this <music sampling resource> or try <this music composition program> or take a look at this <instructional website/book/etc."

If you would have worked 'Get authentic orchestra sounds' in a less elitist, snarky manner, I wouldn't have said anything. *shrugs*

IE: Look at how Danny replies.

there's nothing wrong with being elitist

Zeo - I'd recommend that you take a look at getting that shit off DSF and coming back with something which has authentic orchestral sound, or try not uploading your very first draft for criticism when a few more tweaks and improvements could be made. It should be obvious to you what improvements need to be made, ie getting authentic orchestral sound. Or take a look at making original music which is far better.

..."But as it's a load of shit I may as well bung it up on DSF". You HAVE shared this track, you silly being.

Ahhh. That was a good RAEG.

Ronnie, as much as I generally enjoy reading your posts these days, you are being rather silly in this particular case. He clearly (at least to me) posted this track looking for advice on how to improve it (and obviously only in the ways he is capable of exploring at this point in time). He cannot afford to run out and buy an orchestral library, nor would I advise him to do so as it's frankly a waste of money if all you're going to do is Doctor Who themes. There's nothing wrong with having fun with what you have available, learning as you go and seeking advice and feedback upon which to grow. This is exactly what I did five years ago, except I didn't have a place like this to post my work and seek feedback from people who knew what they were doing. I don't see why he shouldn't avail himself of the opportunities that he has. As he has said perfectly eloquently, if it were a final product he would have posted it to Whomix. He posted it here as it is developing. If you cannot help him develop it in valid ways, then I agree, you probably shouldn't be here commenting. You should treat aspiring musicians posting early work as what they are—not tell them to pack it in and go home, or at least disappear until they're suddenly, magically good at everything. Because then he'll never be any good.

And just for the record, when I started making music five years ago, I never intended or planned on writing original music or doing anything other than Doctor Who themes. But after I became good with the software and the environment, I branched out. The same might happen here. Don't discourage someone who's just getting started.

i just don't see, Danny, how exactly he can improve it though. i mean, what he has basically made is a note for note recreation of the John Debney theme tune on a midi keyboard. how can you improve it other than by adjusting the tempo which he can find out simply by running the two of them together and thinking 'fuck me that's out of time, i'd better fix that shit'. he has ears, there is nothing people can offer him if all he's doing is an exact replica albeit one that i'd expect to hear on a piczo fan page. and how far CAN you even develop with nothing but a midi keyboard and a pc at your disposal. is he actually going to upload a midi to the whomix?

sorry i'm not really angry I just don't like people killing music by producing shit that i'd expect to hear coming from a tinny little speaking in a crappy birthday card that plays music when you open it.

yeah keep making music zeo, keep it up kid, don't listen to dem guys wot sayin shit to you and whatnot

As others have said, if you can't help, don't try. Again, not being angry or snappy. Just saying. It doesn't help anyone to rant at him here. This is what he wants to be doing and he wants to know if he can do anything better. I actually have some legitimate suggestions for him in this area. You don't, so why come in and just bash him like that?

There are many things wrong with that statement but it does little good to correct them. (And yes, I realize you said "basically.")

As I said, I have some legitimate suggestions which I will make an effort to type up. (Even more so now that he's getting flak on here for posting it.)

Again, not saying you don't have a point, but I maintain that you're being unnecessarily harsh in making it. He's doing what he wants to be doing, for fun. Let him have his fun. You don't have to be a part of it.

Oh come on, let's not be melodramatic here. No one's killing music by making a recreation of a Doctor Who theme, poor or otherwise. And everyone starts somewhere. Not worth getting argumentative over. If you didn't enjoy it and you can't offer technical advice, you're not really in his intended audience. Of course you're welcome to post your opinion anyway, but don't be surprised when you get backlash like this from me and him.

FYI, he's older than both of us.

I'm in a bashful mood as of late.

Oh I'm not criticizing him FOR posting it, I'm just telling him I think it's shit.

Ah he started late then, no wonder it was so poor. Though he can only get better.

Anyway, said my piece now. Let me know when he makes something listenable.

bashful |ˈba sh fəl|
adjective
reluctant to draw attention to oneself; shy

This word — I do not think it means what you think it means.

Which is unhelpful.

Exactly. He can only get better.

Not really my job, and I doubt he'll go out of his way to find you. :)

I know but it was a word with bash in it, cut me some slack eh.

Course it's helpful, he'll stop making shit music in future. And if he doesn't find me, well that's fine, I'll just listen to the official versions of the Who theme.

Rich coming from you, sir.

I doubt that's the result it will have.

Please do. Spare yourself and us. Win win.

Haha, I love the implication that you believe he will continue to make shit music. That, sir, made me giggle.:)

I aim to entertain via misinterpretation. Good to know I'm doing well at it.

You tell 'em Danny!

Yeah, you GET that BIG NASTY MAN. Go on, make him SQUIRM.

Sycophant.

You've been Plan weird, stupid, loud, obnoxious, and a lately to Zeo
You get him a fucking orchestra library

Am I forgetting anything? And Should I run?

I won't get him an orchestra library because whether or not he advances himself is of little consequence to me.

And loud?

ah DO BELIEVE DEMS WAS WRITTEN SWEET AYSE :cool:

This thread gets 4/10. Lots of rage, but there's no style, Ron. Few lulz, either. Remember, aim to entertain. If we're laughing at your opponent, you're winning.

Entertainment? I was genuinely making serious comments about his shit track.

Hey, all I can say is that saying that a midi file of something is shit simply because it is midi is quite frankly, closed minded and unintelligent. And it just shows that you know absolutely NOTHING in how to create, orchestrate or program music yourself. So until you can even do an ounce of what Zeo did with midi, don't criticize his capabilities.

Now, in my honest opinion, there are very minor flaws in the piece. But it is for the most part, very accurate. All I can say is that if Zeo is new at this, then he's very good for a beginner, 'cos it is a very tight recording.

Here's something Ronnie didn't know. Quite often, recordings that he will have heard would have been entirely midi based, even though sounding like an authentic orchestra. The Dark Knight for example, the entire score was made ENTIRELY on Cubase, and there isn't a real instrument to be found in it, all midi.

Right, sorry to jump in late in the game, but I'd thought I'd wait until I had something really valid to say.

Edit: If those were serious comments, then I'd hate to see what an unserious one is. 'Cos quite frankly, what little criticism that was out there was outweighed by needless insulting.

The difference being that Zimmer's score sounds authentic and electrifying, Zeo's mix sounds like a midi.

I'm also pretty sure that the string instruments that Zimmer sampled for the score were real string instruments.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1WykD...layer_embedded

The fact is, of course it's gonna sound relatively midi, he just fancied doing the mix with what he could. Bare in mind I don't think Zeo has any interest in becoming a serious musician, and just did the recording for fun. As far as midi sounding goes, I've heard a lot worse. If you think it is as "shit" as you say, if you think you can do better, go ahead.

i don't think i could do better as i'm not much of a musician but if i was i wouldn't post something that i knew wasn't much cop to begin with. i'm also not a city planner but fuck me that millennium dome was a waste of space for a good few years wasn't it. see how you can still think something is shit (like zeo's track) without having to be a specialist in the field? good, otherwise no one would have opinions and it'd be shit.

oh also was i right about Hans Zimmer using real string instruments and that that fuck off cello being played wasn't a hologram or some other digital simulation of an instrument? ah yes, so I was.

then i guess this is just one big fail thread

i wasn't really making a serious comment. well i'm serious when i say i think it's shit but not in much else