Originally Posted by Recurring Villain
Windows only has DRM for people stupid enough to actually pay for it
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Not true. Windows has DRM technologies embedded into the core of the operating system. I don't know why you seem to think downloading Windows bypasses DRM. (And by DRM, I don't mean Windows activation and licensing. I mean stuff that Microsoft has put in at the behest of the entertainment industry which effectively restrict what I can and cannot do with my computer.)
Originally Posted by Recurring Villain
Seriously, if you're going to support something, support Linux. Linux and OSX can do everything Windows can except games, which is cool because anyone considering getting a Mac obviously doesn't play games anyway (except for the few who can be bothered tainting their precious white boxes with a Windows partition or really really like Quake 4).
Linux is usually free and infinitely upgradeable and modifiable and has more tech support than the internet has room for.
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I agree. Linux needs strong support, and I do support it and think very highly of it. However it is nowhere near the level of development that Mac OS X is. And in fact, Mac OS X runs on a Unix core, so you're essentially getting the best of what Linux has to offer when you get a Mac. And additionally, any computer that can run Windows can play games just fine (that includes Macs, PCs that dual boot Linux and Windows, everything). That argument is very,
very invalid. Additionally, EA and several other developers are now porting their games to Mac. Now that they've moved to Intel, Apple has a potential future in gaming which developers and publishers are already starting to pursue.
Originally Posted by Recurring Villain
Although I will admit Macs do have an advantage over Linux if you're a composer, which is because most goddamn nonconformist beatniks use Macs. But I don't think Superkid is a composer, are you SK?
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There's also a huge library of other software made exclusively for Mac. Basically if you do anything creative, you're
at least equally well off on a Mac, if not better off. Linux is a wonderful, wonderful operating system and is very advanced in many areas. However in terms of software, it is still very much in its early infancy.
No one (and I mean absolutely no major software developer) publishes software for Linux. Adobe suites, Microsoft Office, Apple software, you name it -- if you're on Linux, you're out of luck. Sure, there are many free and open source alternative available, but if you need anything more than mid-range tools, you're completely out of luck.
Also, WTF? Since when is nonconformity a bad thing?
Originally Posted by Recurring Villain
Linux also has that ****ing awesome theme thing which makes Aero and Mac's windows look like the NES.
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It's called Beryl, and, while awesome, Mac OS X's interface is somewhat similar out of the box, and can be tweaked to do almost everything Beryl does. To be perfectly honest, I believe Windows can be tweaked to do the same thing, thus rendering this section of your argument totally pointless. Thanks for playing.
Originally Posted by Recurring Villain
EDIT: My point is, a PC you can upgrade up the kazoo and do whatever you like with, a Mac you can't. If you're thinking of getting a Mac and dual-booting with Windows, buy yourself a PC and use Linux and Windows. You can even get Mac OS themes for Linux, so it's just like you're using the goddamn thing. Except you didn't have to pay for that shit and you can upgrade it and modify it however you like.
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Seeing how misinformed you are almost makes me want to cry, but the fact that you're misleading poor Superkid is just inexcusable.
1) Macs can be upgraded. Memory can be increased in all Macs. Hard drives can be changed out in most Macs. If you need serious upgrade potential, the Mac Pro is just like a normal PC -- almost everything can be swapped out at your discretion.
2) Linux running a Mac OS X theme is
nothing like running a real Mac. For one thing, it's all surface level. You can take a screenshot of the desktop and say "look, it looks just like a Mac!" But the functionality will be fundamentally different. Nothing will work the same as it does on a Mac. Additionally, you will not be able to take advantage of
any software for the Mac -- which, frankly, is
the key selling point of a Mac in the first place. So stop pushing Linux and acting like "it's just like Mac OS X but free." That argument is complete bullshit.
Originally Posted by Superkid11
The only windows exclusive games I have for now are much simpler things like Game Maker games and stuff. I'm not much of a PC gamer, I have my gamecube for the big stuff.
Thanks Danny, you're a good help.
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You're welcome. To be honest, Game Maker and related stuff should actually work in Parallels or VMware, so you may not need to run Boot Camp. I have not tested it myself, though, so don't quote me on that.
Originally Posted by Superkid11
And, surprisingly, so are you RV. I hear what you're saying, and I've actually considered that. Problem is, I'm not much when it comes to customizing my computers. I just work with what I get.
However, you've piqued my curiosity. So I'm going to consider both your suggestions. For now I'm far too curious about Apple to think about passing it up(and there's no version of Flash for Linux ), but Linux is sounding pretty good too. I can't buy two computers, but if my dad's computer is going to be left unused I could test linux out on it and see how it works out... even though my dad's computer may not have much longer to live...
So thank you both.
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RV has a lot of pent up Apple and Mac hatred going on. Please don't just believe what he's saying blindly. A lot of his argument has merit, but as I've pointed out above, a lot more of it is just anti-Apple bile spewing. Try and run ideas by me as much as possible -- while I do love Apple and recommend their stuff, I will do my best to give you an unbiased answer to your questions.
Also, just for your reference, Macs are capable of running Linux as well, either in a Parallels/VMware virtual machine or using a dual boot system like on a PC.
Originally Posted by Superkid11
EDIT: Waitwaitwait, RV, are you saying Apple doesn't distribute automatic updates like Windows does?
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Nope, Apple has a Software Update application which is used to distribute updates. They just come out a lot less frequently than their Microsoft counterparts, because shit ain't broken to begin with.
Originally Posted by Rat Souffle
Um. I think Quicktime player has its own softsynth which it uses to play stuff. It has built in reverb too!
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I addressed this question above. Both operating systems have full MIDI support.
Originally Posted by Superkid11
Oh, I forgot, the SW synth is actually playing MIDIs that are inside things such as Game Maker games and such. MIDIs have played on their own with my SW synth volume completely down, but have been scilent in applications that use them. That used to be the case for Runescape too until they got their own soundbank. I thought it had something to do with a sound card that macs didn't have.
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Nope. Macs have sound cards just like PCs do. Or else you wouldn't have sound.
Anything that requires the use of MIDI will work 100% fine.