Originally Posted by Ronnie Rowlands
I really don't see the big deal, all series' have their duff episodes once in a while, and to be frank, I found series 3 to be one hell of a great series, with some of the best stories, and LOTTL certainly surpassed the 2005 finale, which I found to be more flawed and inconsistent with human evolution than anything else. Face it, this new series IS in canon with past episodes, whether anyone likes it or not.
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I agree that series 3 was, until the finale, quite good. In fact, the best series so far. However LOTTL showed how RTD treats the show... he plays games with it, and I absolutely hate the way he writes for the show on many levels. So I am well within my right to be concerned for the future of the show, as long as he is still in charge. As I said in my original post, looking back now, I see the same style of writing in nearly all his previous episodes as well... this is not the first time he's let me down. It's just the first time I've felt it so deeply, which in turn has amplified all the other times.
Originally Posted by Ronnie Rowlands
Frankly, people should be grateful that Doctor Who was bought back to our screens tremendously well and a lot of effort has gone into making it good. The original series was as riddled with inconsitencies as the new series.
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I disagree. I would much rather have a handful of people watching a truly great show than half the world watching an utterly dire show.
Originally Posted by Ronnie Rowlands
Danny, can you explain to us exactly how a bad episode has turned you against the entire revived series?
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As I said above, it's not just a bad episode, it's a horrible episode. And it makes it clear to me what RTD is doing with the show, and has been from the start. I simply despise the version of Doctor Who that RTD is making.
Originally Posted by Chris Britton
And as a final point, we all hammered Love and Monsters far worse then LOTTL, and things got much better there,
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I hammered Last of the Time Lords
MUCH more than I hammered Love and Monsters. Because it's
MUCH more deserving of a good hammering. L&M can be pushed aside and casually ignored. LOTTL cannot.
Originally Posted by Ronnie Rowlands
I am right in thinking a lot of these die hard fans are looking for flaws. Danny, why have you repeatedly watched it? To make yourself hate it even more? If I see a bad episode of Frost which I have on DVD, of which there are 4 or 5 really sucky ones, I leave them on the shelf and watch them once every 6-12 months. I don't watch them over and over an get depressed and decide the show is no longer worth watching.
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I watch it again when I show it to others. I never do it by choice. And each time has been more painful than the time before, to the point where I literally apologize profusely to the poor person I subjected it to once it ends.
Originally Posted by Ronnie Rowlands
When Doctor Who was cancelled it was in a real rut, and the movie fell through as well. And the current BBC Wales crew have defied the odds and propelled it to the top. You should all be grateful for that.
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I hate that mentality. "Doctor Who is successful. Count your blessings." Yeah, it's successful, big whoop. It's successful because it appeals to the stupid, drooling, mindless masses, which is not the kind of Doctor Who I want.
Originally Posted by Ben Dawson
True, it wasn't the best episode in the world, but Series 3 in the long run was the best yet in my opinion.
I find it kinda melodramtic that someone can say they have SERIOUS doubts about the future of the showm just because of one bad episode, there were probably worse episodes/serials than that in the classic series (especially later on, where the writing just became inexperienced twaddle).
I honestly don't see how the show is going down hill after one bad episode, there were plot holes, yes. But as "Teh Ronn" said, I'm not gonna lose sleep over it, the only serious problem I had was the regeneration (I just don't think Time Lords have the choice in Regenerating or not).
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I made my case above. It's not just this episode -- it sheds light on flaws that have been there the whole time.
Originally Posted by Ben Dawson
Over all, the series is getting better, nothing's perfect, and if you disliked it THAT much, then write in and tell them yourself, instead of just moping on about it.
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Yes, because they will totally redo it because I complained.
Originally Posted by Superkid11
Sounds to me like you took it a bit too hard, though I'm not saying that's your fault.
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You're damn right I took it hard. It's hard to watch my favorite show turn into a pile of garbage.