Series 5 theme remake

[ATV642]

-

[Ronnie Rowlands]

I don't like that at all. It's a pity because the bassline and 'oo ee oo' is rather nice, if a little over bassy but even that sounds like a direct recreation of Dominic Glynn's theme.

Those ghastly midi strings don't blend well with it at all, they sound out of time, out of tune, wavery and grating. The levels also seem rather screwed up and the very worst part of this mix, the terrible melody, is far louder than the bassline and sounds badly mixed, almost pasted on. Also, those stringy bits, which are new sections of the theme created by Murray overpower the 'original' aspects of the theme and makes it sound less like it should.

Opening sting doesn't sound nice, almost as though it was recorded straight out of your speakers on a low quality dictaphone, and the intensity of it doesn't suit the more subdued music that follows it.

EDIT: and what do you mean "not like the "it's shit" from Ronnie Rowlands" you little tit. yes I did say that but I at least told him what else I thought was wrong with it, you make out like I swanned in and said that and nothing more.

[ATV642]

Originally Posted by Ronnie Rowlands

Those ghastly midi strings

You offend my violin for calling it midi. In fact I recorded a C in audacity, wav'd it, and put it in Sampler. But I've replaced them now, I redo the link soon.

[Ronnie Rowlands]

Oh. I just assumed it was because it sounded sampled in some way.

[Danny Stewart]

The term "MIDI" is so fucking overused. Look it the fuck up. It does not mean "played using a shitty built-in computer soundset." It refers to the transmission of notes (note on, note off, how hard the key is pressed, etc.). It has nothing to do with sound itself.

[Ronnie Rowlands]

alright alright, I'll use it differently in future but don't get snippy with me for that, it's a common mistake.

[Recurring Villain]

Originally Posted by Danny Stewart

The term "MIDI" is so fucking overused. Look it the fuck up. It does not mean "played using a shitty built-in computer soundset." It refers to the transmission of notes (note on, note off, how hard the key is pressed, etc.). It has nothing to do with sound itself.

and "melodrama" means "drama set to music"

get over it son

[Ronnie Rowlands]

To be fair, I sang as I typed the comments that Danny said was melodramatic

[Zeo]

Originally Posted by Recurring Villain

and "melodrama" means "drama set to music"

get over it son

The term melodrama refers to a dramatic work which exaggerates plot and characters in order to appeal to the emotions.

[Recurring Villain]

Originally Posted by Zeo

The term melodrama refers to a dramatic work which exaggerates plot and characters in order to appeal to the emotions.

Yes, it does today. Originally it meant drama set to music, as a portmanteau of MELODY and DRAMA.

From the exact same Wikipedia article you copy/pasted from:

Beginning in the 18th century, melodrama was a technique of combining spoken recitation with short pieces of accompanying music.

Next time, read the whole article, genius.

My point, that you seem to have missed, is that although MIDI literally refers to the means of creating music, it has come to mean music (to paraphrase the esteemed Mr. Stewart) "played using a shitty built-in computer soundset" due to its association with MIDI files. Just as the meaning of melodrama changed, so has the meaning of MIDI. The evolution of language, my friends.

[Zeo]

You're no fun when you're being reasonable

[Recurring Villain]

Originally Posted by Zeo

You're no fun when you're being reasonable

you're just an idiot

[Zeo]

Originally Posted by Recurring Villain

you're just an idiot

No

[ATV642]

Right I'm now making a theme that isn't really based on the other themes. I have got the bassline and Melody the same of course and I have this new violin intro bit.

It doesn't have any background instruments until the end but it's not finished yet so what do you expect?

I haven't thought of a name yet so for now I will call it: remix.mp3

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/8989588/remix.mp3

[Zeo]

Getting better but I suggest a lot less bass and maybe turn the volume down a bit overall. I'm sure others will have better feedback than I.

[Ronnie Rowlands]

Oh sweet jesus what the bloody hell is that? The entire thing sounds flanged, negative and ghastly. Please please finish it first, and for God's sake match up the bassline and the melody properly so that it isn't all clunky and messy.

Mind you, you'll probably quit because of that remark because you're a flouncey puss. Don't deny it. I was the same at 14.

[Ben Dawson]

It kinda sounds disjointed and disconcerting. I liked some aspects of it, but I didn't really take to the second melody sound you used (the really tinny one). The timing of the melody also seemed very off, it fitted out of place over the bassline. It sounded like you were racing to punch in out as fast as you could.

I agree that the sound levels are way off (my mum just complained that she couldn't hear the telly 'cos it was that loud), but I think for the main part, it was due to a very minimalistic feel that it had due to the lack of much instrumentation used. If you were going for a minimilistic style then it would have worked, but the strings at the beginning suggest a fuller sounding piece, then the strings fall out and it just leaves the theme falling flat afterwards.

Now, others may disagree here, but I think it would make it sound much more atmospheric if you used more reverb, especially towards the end.

The scream seemed pretty cut off at the beginning, as well as too quiet and trebley, I suggest getting maybe a different sample of the scream which sounds louder and more appropiate.

A similar problem is the end, the last notes seemed to be punched out as fast as possible as well. I can tell you're a young musician because of your troubles with tempo and sense of timing, but please dont take that as an insult, 'cos I'm a young musician (albeit, a one who's studying music at college) and I and many other suffer from the same issue.
I think if you held the final note a little longer, it would seem much less rushed.

That's pretty much all I can think of right now, if I think of anymore, I shall let you know. But don't be too put off, I like the concept and the basic arrangement, it just seems rough around the edges. I really think if you want it sounding its fullest, it is well worth working on.

[ATV642]

Originally Posted by Ben Dawson

I didn't really take to the second melody sound you used (the really tinny one).

Yeah, I completely agree with you on that, I'll try and get a better one that fits the piece.

Originally Posted by Ben Dawson

The timing of the melody also seemed very off, it fitted out of place over the bassline. It sounded like you were racing to punch in out as fast as you could.

Well, that's the trouble with having a MIDI2USB adapter and not a USB midi keyboard. I see if I can make a perfect re-record though.

Originally Posted by Ben Dawson

If you were going for a minimilistic style then it would have worked, but the strings at the beginning suggest a fuller sounding piece, then the strings fall out and it just leaves the theme falling flat afterwards.

Originally Posted by ATV642

It doesn't have any background instruments until the end but it's not finished yet so what do you expect?

Originally Posted by Ben Dawson

The scream seemed pretty cut off at the beginning.

Blame the fucking trailer maker. I'll look for another one.



Thanks for your help btw.

[Ben Dawson]

No problem, glad to help.
Might I suggest first getting the theme top notch first, then focus on the scream last. If you ask really nicely, Danny might put a scream sample in himself.

[ATV642]

Originally Posted by Ben Dawson

No problem, glad to help.
Might I suggest first getting the theme top notch first, then focus on the scream last. If you ask really nicely, Danny might put a scream sample in himself.

yeah ok. I might take a very long time since I'm also working on my TARDIS build but I'll have a bit of time at night like now