Delawarez

[Josef Kenny]

A recreation of the Delaware theme, done with FL Studio and 3x Osc virtual instrument. Then edited with Steinberg Wavelab Lite.

Delawarez.mp3

Here is the Youtube version:

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[Jez]

I don't really like 3xOsc.

[Danny Stewart]

The sounds are all good (actually excellent) but that's some crazy notation. Here's a tip when doing the bassline for Derbyshire or Delaware themes.

Melody 1: all diddly-dums
Melody 2: all dum-de-dums

[Josef Kenny]

I'm good with sounds, less so with notation. With me, anything goes! Want to completely miss out melody 1? Ok! Want to play the Middle 8 backwards? Ok! Want to get Keff to do the music again?



No.



That is where I draw the line.

[Danny Stewart]

At least you have some standards.

[Josef Kenny]

Want to completely miss out melody 1? Ok! Want to play the Middle 8 backwards? Ok!

I've put that idea into action.

derbyshire with no melody 1 and backwards middle 8.mp3

[Recurring Villain]

Originally Posted by Jez

I don't really like 3xOsc.

It starts to appeal when you run out of Sytrus presets you haven't used to death.

[Danny Stewart]

Originally Posted by Rat Souffle

I've put that idea into action.

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Scary. Well done, but too bad it was manufactured using evil (MArk's stereo theme).

[Josef Kenny]

It starts to appeal when you run out of Sytrus presets you haven't used to death.

Yeah, thats why I'm using it now. I'm not sure what I'll be using when I run out of 3xOsc. I suppose it's more programmable than sytrus tho.

Scary. Well done, but too bad it was manufactured using evil (MArk's stereo theme).

I used that because, when Mark made that theme, he kind of left the back door open in that the bassline is exactly the same in both L and R channels, but the melody and everything else is over a stereo spread. So if you use a de-vocaliser (Steinberg's Voice Attenuator works a treat) to remove all mono sound, then it just leaves the melody and the white noise, 'grumbling' and such on its own.

Now what I really need is the isolated THUNDERCLAP sound effect from An Unearthly Child.

[Danny Stewart]

Originally Posted by Rat Souffle

I used that because, when Mark made that theme, he kind of left the back door open in that the bassline is exactly the same in both L and R channels, but the melody and everything else is over a stereo spread. So if you use a de-vocaliser (Steinberg's Voice Attenuator works a treat) to remove all mono sound, then it just leaves the melody and the white noise, 'grumbling' and such on its own.

I figured as much. I remember using those methods a while back. Now, luckily, I have my own complete set of isolated Derbyshire elements, so I don't need to resort to such primitive trickery any longer.

[Josef Kenny]

when Mark made that theme, he kind of left the back door open

Now, luckily, I have my own complete set of isolated Derbyshire elements, so I don't need to resort to such primitive trickery any longer.

Danny just waltzes in the front door and takes the tapes out of the Radiophonic workshop's archive room. You must live the high life!

EDIT: You know, as in sitting on your own private island, sipping a martini and ginger and listening to various elements of the Derbyshire and Howell themes in isolation. Oh, and 'thinking it good'.

Well done, but too bad it was manufactured using evil (MArk's stereo theme).

What's so bad about the stereo mix?

[Danny Stewart]

Originally Posted by Rat Souffle

Danny just waltzes in the front door and takes the tapes out of the Radiophonic workshop's archive room. You must live the high life!

EDIT: You know, as in sitting on your own private island, sipping a martini and ginger and listening to various elements of the Derbyshire and Howell themes in isolation. Oh, and 'thinking it good'.

Sounds like my life pretty much.

Originally Posted by Rat Souffle

What's so bad about the stereo mix?

Mark Ayres killed the theme, completely. Without even going into the sound of the theme (which sounds totally flat and lifeless compared to the original mix), he put it together very sloppily. The second layer is incorrectly timed to the first layer throughout most of the mix, and at one point the second layer even drops away completely for no reason (behind the first melody 1 -- I've checked every original version of the Derbyshire theme and it does not drop away there, and yet it does in both MArk's 2002 stereo and 2006 stereo/5.1 versions). Also, in the original 2002 version, he used an incorrect bassline clip to loop back to melody 1 (the dum-dum-diddy started at D and went up for some bizarre reason, which appeared nowhere in the original themes either). I had to email him and notify him about the error, which he corrected for 2006 luckily, but then proceeded to ruin the wind bubble on the end of the theme instead.

I hate you, Mark Ayres.

[Josef Kenny]

Well I've knocked together a comparison.

Left Channel is the 2002 Stereo mix (Not stereo any longer).

Right Channel is the original 1963 mix.

1. The two themes do go out of sync eventually. I haven't attempted to correct that, as I am leaving it as part of the comparison.

2. The part that Danny mentioned, when Mark used the wrong bass intro part, is at 1:02. You can hear a jarring difference between the two channels.

3. You can hear clearly that in the 2002 mix, the white noise effects are out of sync with the rest of the mix, and are also quieter than in the 1963 mix.

4. If you are listening to this with Windows Media Player, (I use Winamp) then remember to turn the SRS Wow effects off. They only interfere with the comparison.

5. There is a slight chorusing near the beginning of the track. This eases as the two channels gradually drift out of sync.

Here it is:

Comparison.mp3

[Danny Stewart]

Ah, thanks, you've reminded me of a few other things he's done wrong. The hissing structure is wrong in the stereo mix. There are two distinct hissing sound sections in the televised version of the theme (titles mix, not original, which is what MArk was basing his mix off of). The first section starts at the fifth bar of the bassline intro and stops near the start of the bridge, then the second one comes in at the end of the bridge and goes till the end of the theme. In MArk's stereo theme, he forgets to turn off the first hissing sound, and allows it to continue not only through the first bridge but also to the end of the theme along with the second hissing sound.

Also he's put two intro hisses at the beginning. What gives? There's only supposed to be one, at the third bar in the original theme and at the first in the titles mix.

Oh, and another thing! The incorrect bassline loop that he fixed in 2006 sounds horrible in the 2006 version of the theme... the timing is way off and it sounds very rushed, almost like he had to recut the proper dum-dum-diddy himself, and did so instead of just lifting it from the bassline intro!

[Josef Kenny]

Off topic, but at the moment I am at a friends hous and are replying on a Pentium 1 233Mhz Windows 98 Laptop with 32mb RAM. Its a complete nightmare to use to browse the internet and the 56k modem doesn't help either. Whatsmore, it seems incapable of being able to use firefox and so I have to stick with Evil IE.

On topic: Sometimes I feel that situations occur when the ameturs are more professional than the professionals! This is one of those situations.

[Danny Stewart]

Originally Posted by Rat Souffle

Off topic, but at the moment I am at a friends hous and are replying on a Pentium 1 233Mhz Windows 98 Laptop with 32mb RAM. Its a complete nightmare to use to browse the internet and the 56k modem doesn't help either. Whatsmore, it seems incapable of being able to use firefox and so I have to stick with Evil IE.

I ran into the same problem recently using a Windows 95 computer. It was incapable of running Firefox, and I tried for over an hour. I tried it on Windows 98 though, and it worked, so I'm not sure why you didn't have any luck. Also, tell your friend computers have moved on a little in recent years.

Originally Posted by Rat Souffle

On topic: Sometimes I feel that situations occur when the ameturs are more professional than the professionals! This is one of those situations.

Definitely agreed.

[Josef Kenny]

Question:Can anyone here play MOD or IT files? If you can't i wont bother uploading anything but the I've rustled up a Doctor Who Theme on this old machine.

[Danny Stewart]

I used to have this kickass MOD version of the Doctor Who theme. I recorded it to MP3 and kept it. I can play MOD files if I try really hard... go ahead and upload it.

[Josef Kenny]

Forgot to mention: It's an IT file, not a MOD. But generally the software that can play MOD's can play IT's too. Its a terribly naff version of the theme that still took me about an hour to do, because this laptop keeps crashing. But OK. When I get home I'll tidy it up a bit and convert it into an mp3.

Damn! This PC doesn't understand ZIP files!

I'll try to upload it on my website. But you know how tempramental that is. Especially with a 56k modem. Also this laptop has that annoying "Cursor Trails" option turned on, and whenever I try to turn it off, the control panel crashes.

Here it is.

Was the MOD version you were talking about one where it starts out in 4/4 and then goes to 6/8 and its sort of like a disco version of the theme where the main instrument sounds like an organ?

[Danny Stewart]

Originally Posted by Rat Souffle

Was the MOD version you were talking about one where it starts out in 4/4 and then goes to 6/8 and its sort of like a disco version of the theme where the main instrument sounds like an organ?

Very probably.

Originally Posted by Rat Souffle

Here it is.

Very awesome. How do you make themes like this? I'd love to do it myself... although I imagine I'd find it slightly more difficult on a Mac. But I suppose I could just get some really cheap sounding synths.