Debney Mix by Zeo

Zeo · #1 July 14, 2010, 5:56 PM

Here's my Debney theme. It's not finished, this is merely a version uploaded for feedback. One problem I have (apart from the crap instruments) is how to do the transition from the middle 8 to the melody which according to wikipedia is the A minor to E minor transition.

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/7058628/Doctor Who - Debney Mix.mp3

Edit: Update Track.

Dr. Videoman · #2 July 14, 2010, 10:08 PM

Pretty Good!

Recurring Villain · #3 July 14, 2010, 11:34 PM

needs shredding

Danny Stewart · #4 July 15, 2010, 11:21 AM

Unfortunately I don't have the time to do a detailed analysis right now, but your tempo should be significantly slower. I don't know what the Debney theme's tempo is off the top of my head like I do the other themes, but definitely slower than what you have now. You've also got some wrong notes here and there and mixing issues, but it's a good start. I'll try and write out my comments more coherently later.

Ronnie Rowlands · #5 July 15, 2010, 4:08 PM

It sounds like a fucking MIDI.

Get that shit off DSF.

Danny Stewart · #6 July 15, 2010, 4:11 PM

Originally Posted by Ronnie Rowlands

It sounds like a fucking MIDI.

Get that shit off DSF.

Not all of us have orchestra libraries.

Ronnie Rowlands · #7 July 15, 2010, 4:39 PM

And those people shouldn't post tinny, lame and unenthralling music.

Zeo · #8 July 15, 2010, 5:39 PM

And you've met Stephen Fry and Alan Davies for shame. They would be aghast at your attitude.

Yeah it's not up to Danny's music, but he's right I don't have the money for a orchestral library so I have to make do with soundfonts like, Squidfont/SJOrchestral/Bellatrix. And at the end of the day this is just a hobbie of mine so if you don't have anything constructive to say then don't say anything at all thanks.

Ronnie Rowlands · #9 July 15, 2010, 5:53 PM

Originally Posted by Zeo

And you've met Stephen Fry and Alan Davies for shame. They would be aghast at your attitude.

I've spoken to Stephen Fry many times and he has yet to be aghast.

Originally Posted by Zeo

if you don't have anything constructive to say then don't say anything at all thanks.

I just did. Get that shit off and come back when you have more authentic sounding software that doesn't sound like someone strangling a cat that's trying to play a MIDI keyboard. In fact, compose your own music so people can see your true credentials as a composer.

Kody · #10 July 15, 2010, 6:44 PM

I'm sorry that actually having some activity on these boards is upsetting to you Ronnie.

As Danny said,

Originally Posted by Danny Stewart

Not all of us have orchestra libraries.

Zeo is experimenting with making music, despite how you feel about it.

Yelling at people that are trying to be creative or actually, you know, trying to learn something new is pretty lame.
If you don't like the music, use constructive criticism.

Originally Posted by Ronnie Rowlands

Get that shit off and come back

^- Does not count, BTW. Unless that is your limit of intelligence.

Zeo · #11 July 15, 2010, 7:09 PM

Originally Posted by Ronnie Rowlands

In fact, compose your own music so people can see your true credentials as a composer.

I don't want to compose new original music, that is not what interests me at all. I also don't care about having credentials, I just wanted some feedback - which you gave - although it's not something I can do much about I'm afraid. Sorry.

Ronnie Rowlands · #12 July 15, 2010, 7:17 PM

Upsetting, who's upset? I'm not fussed about more activity at all, I just didn't enjoy listening to the mix.

And, unless what is the limit of my intelligence, Kody, telling someone to start sharing music when it's actually of a listenable quality? I gave my constructive criticism. Get authentic orchestra sounds.

Beta Link · #13 July 15, 2010, 11:22 PM

I'm not sure whether or not the difference in tempo was intentional or not, but I'm not too fond of it. Other than that, and that which Ronnie is RAEGing pretty badly about, I like it. It's pretty solid. Not much more I can say really, as it's pretty much a note-for-note recreation of the Debney theme. :/

Zeo · #14 July 16, 2010, 12:58 AM

Originally Posted by Beta Link

I'm not sure whether or not the difference in tempo was intentional or not, but I'm not too fond of it. Other than that, and that which Ronnie is RAEGing pretty badly about, I like it. It's pretty solid. Not much more I can say really, as it's pretty much a note-for-note recreation of the Debney theme. :/

The tempo is wrong indeed, I set it at 140bpm as it made it easy to construct the theme and was what I was used to. It is supposed to be a faithful fan made version of Debneys piece rather than his arrangement with a new sound (ignoring the shit instruments). This isn't a final version, rest assured, but it was the best I could muster without getting outside feedback.

Zeo · #15 July 16, 2010, 1:00 AM

Originally Posted by Ronnie Rowlands

And, unless what is the limit of my intelligence, Kody, telling someone to start sharing music when it's actually of a listenable quality? I gave my constructive criticism. Get authentic orchestra sounds.

Perhaps I should have said that this is NOT a final version and was merely posted for feedback. I'll edit my post so no one else will get the wrong idea. Sorry for the confusion. Also if I wanted to share this track I would have submitted it to Whomix.

Recurring Villain · #16 July 16, 2010, 2:27 AM

i love flame wars

top billing ronald

Kody · #17 July 16, 2010, 3:06 AM

I consider a constructive response to be something along the lines of:

"I'd recommend you'd take a look at this or try or take a look at this
If you would have worked 'Get authentic orchestra sounds' in a less elitist, snarky manner, I wouldn't have said anything. *shrugs*

IE: Look at how Danny replies.

Recurring Villain · #18 July 16, 2010, 4:05 AM

there's nothing wrong with being elitist

Ronnie Rowlands · #19 July 16, 2010, 6:29 AM

Zeo - I'd recommend that you take a look at getting that shit off DSF and coming back with something which has authentic orchestral sound, or try not uploading your very first draft for criticism when a few more tweaks and improvements could be made. It should be obvious to you what improvements need to be made, ie getting authentic orchestral sound. Or take a look at making original music which is far better.

Also if I wanted to share this track I would have submitted it to Whomix.

..."But as it's a load of shit I may as well bung it up on DSF". You HAVE shared this track, you silly being.

Ahhh. That was a good RAEG.

Danny Stewart · #20 July 16, 2010, 7:58 AM

Originally Posted by Ronnie Rowlands

..."But as it's a load of shit I may as well bung it up on DSF". You HAVE shared this track, you silly being.

Ronnie, as much as I generally enjoy reading your posts these days, you are being rather silly in this particular case. He clearly (at least to me) posted this track looking for advice on how to improve it (and obviously only in the ways he is capable of exploring at this point in time). He cannot afford to run out and buy an orchestral library, nor would I advise him to do so as it's frankly a waste of money if all you're going to do is Doctor Who themes. There's nothing wrong with having fun with what you have available, learning as you go and seeking advice and feedback upon which to grow. This is exactly what I did five years ago, except I didn't have a place like this to post my work and seek feedback from people who knew what they were doing. I don't see why he shouldn't avail himself of the opportunities that he has. As he has said perfectly eloquently, if it were a final product he would have posted it to Whomix. He posted it here as it is developing. If you cannot help him develop it in valid ways, then I agree, you probably shouldn't be here commenting. You should treat aspiring musicians posting early work as what they are—not tell them to pack it in and go home, or at least disappear until they're suddenly, magically good at everything. Because then he'll never be any good.

And just for the record, when I started making music five years ago, I never intended or planned on writing original music or doing anything other than Doctor Who themes. But after I became good with the software and the environment, I branched out. The same might happen here. Don't discourage someone who's just getting started.