Post your desktop - Page 3

Ross Hendrie · #41 December 6, 2005, 6:53 AM

Originally Posted by Danny Stewart

Yup, riddled with it. I'd be surprised if you can survive 30 seconds without getting hit with some.

Ross, it's made by people who want to make the world of computing better for everyone, not people who are out to get other people. Besides, as I said above and you seemed to ignore, there are no Linux viruses, there is no Linux spyware. In addition, these projects are actually overseen by people. Assuming it did exist, it would never be allowed in. All these things are made, as I said above, by people who care about others and want to make things better for all computer users everywhere. That's what gives it such a pleasant environment to be in and makes it such a pleasant experience.

But how do we know who they are? They could be hardcore hackers waiting until everyone gets Linux and then activating a hidden program inside it that will fry everyone's computers or something.

Originally Posted by Danny Stewart

I'm not in a bad mood, I just don't like being shut down by someone as closed-minded as you seem to be sometimes.

No offence Danny but you're the one who's always closed minded about things like this. You don't listen to us sometimes.

Danny Stewart · #42 December 6, 2005, 7:52 AM

Originally Posted by Shawn

The old "Either you're with me or shut the hell up" line, pwnage.

I never said that. I just asked you not to be so rude to me, which isn't really that out of line.

Originally Posted by Shawn

Honestly, I'm tired of the whole Linux v Windows and Firefox v IE perpetual argumentation.

I can sympathize with that. That's why you shouldn't read the threads that don't interest you. I used to visit threads that bothered me or went against my viewpoint and I tried to convince people otherwise (on other boards) but now I just stay away from them because it doesn't do them or me any good.

Originally Posted by Shawn

Luckily the only RP I was actually interested in on here has gone to lax because of your not caring about anything but how fast you can download the next Dr. Who episode; or who you can bug about Linux and Firefox next.

Or maybe because I'm a senior in high school and I have between one and three hours of homework each night, and maybe even a bit of a social life, and I have to work on college applications most days, and I have the time to post quick responses to other people's forum posts but not to write complete posts for an RPG.

Oh, no, never mind, you're probably right. My caring doesn't reach past downloading new Doctor Who episodes and endorsing free and open source software. It's not like I created an entire internet community for some people to meet others with similar interests and make new friends to talk about the things they loved, the passions they shared, and the problems they had in everyday life. Why don't you ask Chris how much I care about other people and see what he says? Or Ross even? Or maybe some of my friends? Because I think you'll get a very different answer than the conclusion you just jumped to.

Originally Posted by Shawn

I'm out, ban me if you want.

Thanks for the invitation, I enjoy few things more than banning people.

Seriously though, you'll be missed and I'm sorry you're leaving just because of a disagreement. Thank you for all the help you gave me regarding my new computer, and all the fun conversations we used to have before I apparently only started caring about downloading Doctor Who and converting you to the dark side of Linux and Firefox. Best of luck in your future.

Danny Stewart · #43 December 6, 2005, 9:06 AM

Sorry, Ross, I didn't notice your post.

Originally Posted by Ross Hendrie

But how do we know who they are? They could be hardcore hackers waiting until everyone gets Linux and then activating a hidden program inside it that will fry everyone's computers or something.

Because I'm one of them. I help with Linux's development as well. And there are so many different versions of Linux -- not all of them could have that even if it did exist, which it doesn't. And since the code is available for everyone to view, someone would notice if there was something like that in there. The entire world's not evil and out to get you, and there isn't some gigantic coverup involving the millions of people who use Linux all out to get you. You have to admit you're being ridiculously paranoid. Linux is used more commonly than Windows worldwide for the most important and delicate businesses and servers, even at Microsoft's own headquarters in Redmond. Linux isn't some small-time operating system made by a few people sitting underground in their basement, it's a huge server operating system and a growing replacement to Windows in that field. Many would laugh at such an accusation but I'm simply trying to explain to you that such a thing is quite impossible.

Originally Posted by Ross Hendrie

No offence Danny but you're the one who's always closed minded about things like this. You don't listen to us sometimes.

If you say so. I know what I know and I believe Linux and Firefox to be better. Why should I listen to you if you're preaching substandard merchandise?

Of course you're welcome to your viewpoint -- I'm just trying to offer you an alternative you may or may not appreciate, and since you are asking me questions I'm simply trying to provide you some answers.

Ross Hendrie · #44 December 6, 2005, 10:24 AM

Originally Posted by Danny Stewart

Or Ross even?

Please dont drag me into this. I happen to agree with Shawn about some of the things he is talking about. Though I do agree DS.com is a good place and I dont know where id be without it.

Originally Posted by Danny Stewart

Because I'm one of them. I help with Linux's development as well. And there are so many different versions of Linux -- not all of them could have that even if it did exist, which it doesn't. And since the code is available for everyone to view, someone would notice if there was something like that in there. The entire world's not evil and out to get you, and there isn't some gigantic coverup involving the millions of people who use Linux all out to get you. You have to admit you're being ridiculously paranoid. Linux is used more commonly than Windows worldwide for the most important and delicate businesses and servers, even at Microsoft's own headquarters in Redmond. Linux isn't some small-time operating system made by a few people sitting underground in their basement, it's a huge server operating system and a growing replacement to Windows in that field. Many would laugh at such an accusation but I'm simply trying to explain to you that such a thing is quite impossible.

I am not being paranoid, im being realistic. Sorry to break it to you but the world isnt some kind of safe haven where everyone wants what's best for everyone else. Everyone was talking about how Microsoft was so good when it first started up. How do you know that wont happen with Linux? Or even if it's happening at this very moment. I mean c'mon...

Originally Posted by Danny Stewart

If you say so. I know what I know and I believe Linux and Firefox to be better. Why should I listen to you if you're preaching substandard merchandise?

Of course you're welcome to your viewpoint -- I'm just trying to offer you an alternative you may or may not appreciate, and since you are asking me questions I'm simply trying to provide you some answers.

You talked to me the other day about not ramming things down peoples' throats. Why are you ramming Linux and Firefox down people's throats?

Danny Stewart · #45 December 6, 2005, 11:29 AM

Originally Posted by Ross Hendrie

Please dont drag me into this. I happen to agree with Shawn about some of the things he is talking about. Though I do agree DS.com is a good place and I dont know where id be without it.

I'm not trying to drag you into anything.

Originally Posted by Ross Hendrie

I am not being paranoid, im being realistic. Sorry to break it to you but the world isnt some kind of safe haven where everyone wants what's best for everyone else. Everyone was talking about how Microsoft was so good when it first started up. How do you know that wont happen with Linux? Or even if it's happening at this very moment. I mean c'mon...

Because I'm directly involved. And I'm in contact with hundreds of other people who I've come to know very well who are also directly involved. Linux is different because it's not corporate. It's made with a different mentality in mind, and that is what makes it better. It's not made by a company, it's made by people who want to make the computing world better. I am a part of that... why can't you understand that?

Originally Posted by Ross Hendrie

You talked to me the other day about not ramming things down peoples' throats. Why are you ramming Linux and Firefox down people's throats?

I just said that I wasn't. Weren't you paying attention? I said you were asking me questions and I was answering them. That is all.

Ross Hendrie · #46 December 6, 2005, 4:15 PM

Originally Posted by Danny Stewart

Because I'm directly involved. And I'm in contact with hundreds of other people who I've come to know very well who are also directly involved. Linux is different because it's not corporate. It's made with a different mentality in mind, and that is what makes it better. It's not made by a company, it's made by people who want to make the computing world better. I am a part of that... why can't you understand that?

Because, not everyone in the world is good. It's a hard fact but there it is. How do you know that even one of the people involved in it isnt trying to exploit people? Because you know them well? Sorry Danny but that's not a reason for the world to just abandon Windows and come running to the Linux camp.

Originally Posted by Danny Stewart

I just said that I wasn't. Weren't you paying attention? I said you were asking me questions and I was answering them. That is all.

Yeah but the truth is that you do ram it down. And I can understand why Shawn is getting annoyed at you. If someone were to come on looking for help with world peace youd recommend Firefox and Linux to them.

Bajoran Rogue · #47 December 6, 2005, 4:44 PM

Don't you all think this debate is getting out of hand?

Danny, if people want their computers to be filled with spyware and viruses even after you have told them why that is wrong, then just let them. It'd be a better lesson for something to happen like them to lose all their data than you going on at them when they arn't going to change their mind because of what you say.

Ross, have you tried looking yourself at what goes on with Linux? As that's the only way you are going to see whether your fears are true or not, not just going "OmGz, aNy1 c4N c teh c0dE!!11!!1 AnY1 c4N sUbM17!!1111!" and use your common sense, for the submissions by anyone with maliceous intent to reach your combuter it would first have to go through testing, be avalible for download and then you would have to update your computer with the maliceous code, I don't know whether or not that's the full picture but that's the impression I have got from looking around, perhaps Danny could explain the process in detail.

Incidently, posts since an image of a desktop was posted...

Danny Stewart · #48 December 6, 2005, 5:09 PM

Originally Posted by Ross Hendrie

Because, not everyone in the world is good. It's a hard fact but there it is. How do you know that even one of the people involved in it isnt trying to exploit people? Because you know them well? Sorry Danny but that's not a reason for the world to just abandon Windows and come running to the Linux camp.

After Rogue's post I'm simply not going to comment anymore.

Originally Posted by Ross Hendrie

Yeah but the truth is that you do ram it down. And I can understand why Shawn is getting annoyed at you. If someone were to come on looking for help with world peace youd recommend Firefox and Linux to them.

It'd be a start. If you don't like it don't listen.

Originally Posted by Bajoran Rogue

Don't you all think this debate is getting out of hand?

Yes, very much so, and to be honest I'm having some thoughts people probably wouldn't be too happy with but it's something I've been considering for a while and may finally put into action since things are so unpleasant around here now.

Originally Posted by Bajoran Rogue

Danny, if people want their computers to be filled with spyware and viruses even after you have told them why that is wrong, then just let them. It'd be a better lesson for something to happen like them to lose all their data than you going on at them when they arn't going to change their mind because of what you say.

Rogue, thanks for saying so. You're absolutely right, and I wish I'd seen it earlier. Thank you very much.

Originally Posted by Ross Hendrie

Ross, have you tried looking yourself at what goes on with Linux? As that's the only way you are going to see whether your fears are true or not, not just going "OmGz, aNy1 c4N c teh c0dE!!11!!1 AnY1 c4N sUbM17!!1111!" and use your common sense, for the submissions by anyone with maliceous intent to reach your combuter it would first have to go through testing, be avalible for download and then you would have to update your computer with the maliceous code, I don't know whether or not that's the full picture but that's the impression I have got from looking around, perhaps Danny could explain the process in detail.

Rogue is exactly correct. Again, I must thank you for being a cool head in this argument.

#49 January 1, 2006, 11:02 AM

Erm sorry don't bite my head off Firefox and Opera sounds rather dogey.

Chris Britton · #50 January 1, 2006, 11:12 AM

And i will nto say anymroe on it, because it is pointless.

#51 January 1, 2006, 11:19 AM

you cant penalise someone because what surver or browser they use

Danny Stewart · #52 January 1, 2006, 12:12 PM

Originally Posted by SamM

Erm sorry don't bite my head off Firefox and Opera sounds rather dogey.

This argument was dying, why do you have to start it up again? Firefox and Opera are not dodgy, Sam, they are safer. You're just falling for the lies perpetrated by IE camp and quite frankly I'm done with this discussion and so is everyone else here. Get back on the "Desktop" topic or I'm going to be forced to close the thread.

Ross Hendrie · #53 January 2, 2006, 11:19 AM

Leave Sam alone he's only giving his opinion.

Here's my desktop:

Excuse the mess, I cant be bothered clearing all the installers and that away

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Danny Stewart · #54 January 2, 2006, 11:27 AM

Problem solved, Ross, I told him he was basing his opinion on no facts, so he's tried Firefox and now he says it's fantastic and he's converted.

Chris Britton · #55 January 6, 2006, 7:42 AM

And i have tried at a friends house and it is great! Now i have to try Linux.

Can i just add seeing some of the things saidf in this topic does worry me slightly.

Danny Stewart · #56 January 6, 2006, 10:12 AM

What things said in this thread?

Ross Hendrie · #57 January 7, 2006, 9:42 AM

I think he means the fighting.

Chris Britton · #58 January 7, 2006, 6:11 PM

Yes, once agasin i must wittness two fo my best friends having an arguement which could be avioided if we left each other to our own devices, Please don't argue, I hate it, and you now know why i have a neutral opinion of things.

Danny Stewart · #59 January 7, 2006, 10:16 PM

It's generally the best policy.

Chris Britton · #60 January 9, 2006, 9:04 AM

Exactly, and i don't want to argue with you lot