Debney Mix by Zeo

[Ronnie Rowlands]

i just don't see, Danny, how exactly he can improve it though. i mean, what he has basically made is a note for note recreation of the John Debney theme tune on a midi keyboard. how can you improve it other than by adjusting the tempo which he can find out simply by running the two of them together and thinking 'fuck me that's out of time, i'd better fix that shit'. he has ears, there is nothing people can offer him if all he's doing is an exact replica albeit one that i'd expect to hear on a piczo fan page. and how far CAN you even develop with nothing but a midi keyboard and a pc at your disposal. is he actually going to upload a midi to the whomix?

sorry i'm not really angry I just don't like people killing music by producing shit that i'd expect to hear coming from a tinny little speaking in a crappy birthday card that plays music when you open it.

yeah keep making music zeo, keep it up kid, don't listen to dem guys wot sayin shit to you and whatnot

[Danny Stewart]

Originally Posted by Ronnie Rowlands

i just don't see, Danny, how exactly he can improve it though.

As others have said, if you can't help, don't try. Again, not being angry or snappy. Just saying. It doesn't help anyone to rant at him here. This is what he wants to be doing and he wants to know if he can do anything better. I actually have some legitimate suggestions for him in this area. You don't, so why come in and just bash him like that?

Originally Posted by Ronnie Rowlands

i mean, what he has basically made is a note for note recreation of the John Debney theme tune on a midi keyboard.

There are many things wrong with that statement but it does little good to correct them. (And yes, I realize you said "basically.")

Originally Posted by Ronnie Rowlands

how can you improve it other than by adjusting the tempo which he can find out simply by running the two of them together and thinking 'fuck me that's out of time, i'd better fix that shit'.

As I said, I have some legitimate suggestions which I will make an effort to type up. (Even more so now that he's getting flak on here for posting it.)

Originally Posted by Ronnie Rowlands

he has ears, there is nothing people can offer him if all he's doing is an exact replica albeit one that i'd expect to hear on a piczo fan page. and how far CAN you even develop with nothing but a midi keyboard and a pc at your disposal. is he actually going to upload a midi to the whomix?

Again, not saying you don't have a point, but I maintain that you're being unnecessarily harsh in making it. He's doing what he wants to be doing, for fun. Let him have his fun. You don't have to be a part of it.

Originally Posted by Ronnie Rowlands

sorry i'm not really angry I just don't like people killing music by producing shit that i'd expect to hear coming from a tinny little speaking in a crappy birthday card that plays music when you open it.

Oh come on, let's not be melodramatic here. No one's killing music by making a recreation of a Doctor Who theme, poor or otherwise. And everyone starts somewhere. Not worth getting argumentative over. If you didn't enjoy it and you can't offer technical advice, you're not really in his intended audience. Of course you're welcome to post your opinion anyway, but don't be surprised when you get backlash like this from me and him.

Originally Posted by Ronnie Rowlands

yeah keep making music zeo, keep it up kid, don't listen to dem guys wot sayin shit to you and whatnot

FYI, he's older than both of us.

[Ronnie Rowlands]

Originally Posted by Danny Stewart

As others have said, if you can't help, don't try. Again, not being angry or snappy. Just saying. It doesn't help anyone to rant at him here. This is what he wants to be doing and he wants to know if he can do anything better. I actually have some legitimate suggestions for him in this area. You don't, so why come in and just bash him like that?

I'm in a bashful mood as of late.

Originally Posted by Danny Stewart

(Even more so now that he's getting flak on here for posting it.)

Oh I'm not criticizing him FOR posting it, I'm just telling him I think it's shit.

Originally Posted by Danny Stewart

FYI, he's older than both of us.

Ah he started late then, no wonder it was so poor. Though he can only get better.

Anyway, said my piece now. Let me know when he makes something listenable.

[Danny Stewart]

Originally Posted by Ronnie Rowlands

I'm in a bashful mood as of late.

bashful |ˈba sh fəl|
adjective
reluctant to draw attention to oneself; shy

This word — I do not think it means what you think it means.

Originally Posted by Ronnie Rowlands

Oh I'm not criticizing him FOR posting it, I'm just telling him I think it's shit.

Which is unhelpful.

Originally Posted by Ronnie Rowlands

Ah he started late then, no wonder it was so poor. Though he can only get better.

Exactly. He can only get better.

Originally Posted by Ronnie Rowlands

Anyway, said my piece now. Let me know when he makes something listenable.

Not really my job, and I doubt he'll go out of his way to find you.

[Ronnie Rowlands]

I know but it was a word with bash in it, cut me some slack eh.

Course it's helpful, he'll stop making shit music in future. And if he doesn't find me, well that's fine, I'll just listen to the official versions of the Who theme.

[Danny Stewart]

Originally Posted by Ronnie Rowlands

I know but it was a word with bash in it, cut me some slack eh.

Rich coming from you, sir.

Originally Posted by Ronnie Rowlands

Course it's helpful, he'll stop making shit music in future.

I doubt that's the result it will have.

Originally Posted by Ronnie Rowlands

And if he doesn't find me, well that's fine, I'll just listen to the official versions of the Who theme.

Please do. Spare yourself and us. Win win.

[Ronnie Rowlands]

Originally Posted by Danny Stewart

I doubt that's the result it will have.

Haha, I love the implication that you believe he will continue to make shit music. That, sir, made me giggle.

[Danny Stewart]

Originally Posted by Ronnie Rowlands

Haha, I love the implication that you believe he will continue to make shit music. That, sir, made me giggle.

I aim to entertain via misinterpretation. Good to know I'm doing well at it.

[Dr. Videoman]

You tell 'em Danny!

[Ronnie Rowlands]

Yeah, you GET that BIG NASTY MAN. Go on, make him SQUIRM.

Sycophant.

[Dr. Videoman]

Originally Posted by Ronnie Rowlands

Yeah, you GET that BIG NASTY MAN. Go on, make him SQUIRM.

Sycophant.

You've been Plan weird, stupid, loud, obnoxious, and a

Originally Posted by Ronnie Rowlands

BIG NASTY MAN

lately to Zeo
You get him a fucking orchestra library

Am I forgetting anything? And Should I run?

[Ronnie Rowlands]

I won't get him an orchestra library because whether or not he advances himself is of little consequence to me.

And loud?

ah DO BELIEVE DEMS WAS WRITTEN SWEET AYSE

[Recurring Villain]

This thread gets 4/10. Lots of rage, but there's no style, Ron. Few lulz, either. Remember, aim to entertain. If we're laughing at your opponent, you're winning.

[Ronnie Rowlands]

Entertainment? I was genuinely making serious comments about his shit track.

[Ben Dawson]

Hey, all I can say is that saying that a midi file of something is shit simply because it is midi is quite frankly, closed minded and unintelligent. And it just shows that you know absolutely NOTHING in how to create, orchestrate or program music yourself. So until you can even do an ounce of what Zeo did with midi, don't criticize his capabilities.

Now, in my honest opinion, there are very minor flaws in the piece. But it is for the most part, very accurate. All I can say is that if Zeo is new at this, then he's very good for a beginner, 'cos it is a very tight recording.

Here's something Ronnie didn't know. Quite often, recordings that he will have heard would have been entirely midi based, even though sounding like an authentic orchestra. The Dark Knight for example, the entire score was made ENTIRELY on Cubase, and there isn't a real instrument to be found in it, all midi.

Right, sorry to jump in late in the game, but I'd thought I'd wait until I had something really valid to say.

Edit: If those were serious comments, then I'd hate to see what an unserious one is. 'Cos quite frankly, what little criticism that was out there was outweighed by needless insulting.

[Ronnie Rowlands]

Originally Posted by Ben Dawson

Here's something Ronnie didn't know. Quite often, recordings that he will have heard would have been entirely midi based, even though sounding like an authentic orchestra. The Dark Knight for example, the entire score was made ENTIRELY on Cubase, and there isn't a real instrument to be found in it, all midi.

The difference being that Zimmer's score sounds authentic and electrifying, Zeo's mix sounds like a midi.

I'm also pretty sure that the string instruments that Zimmer sampled for the score were real string instruments.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1WykD...layer_embedded

[Ben Dawson]

Originally Posted by Ronnie Rowlands

The difference being that Zimmer's score sounds authentic and electrifying, Zeo's mix sounds like a midi.

The fact is, of course it's gonna sound relatively midi, he just fancied doing the mix with what he could. Bare in mind I don't think Zeo has any interest in becoming a serious musician, and just did the recording for fun. As far as midi sounding goes, I've heard a lot worse. If you think it is as "shit" as you say, if you think you can do better, go ahead.

[Ronnie Rowlands]

i don't think i could do better as i'm not much of a musician but if i was i wouldn't post something that i knew wasn't much cop to begin with. i'm also not a city planner but fuck me that millennium dome was a waste of space for a good few years wasn't it. see how you can still think something is shit (like zeo's track) without having to be a specialist in the field? good, otherwise no one would have opinions and it'd be shit.

oh also was i right about Hans Zimmer using real string instruments and that that fuck off cello being played wasn't a hologram or some other digital simulation of an instrument? ah yes, so I was.

[Recurring Villain]

Originally Posted by Ronnie Rowlands

Entertainment? I was genuinely making serious comments about his shit track.

then i guess this is just one big fail thread

[Ronnie Rowlands]

i wasn't really making a serious comment. well i'm serious when i say i think it's shit but not in much else