Doctor Who - Old vs. New - Page 2

Recurring Villain · #21 January 24, 2008, 11:03 PM

Originally Posted by Recurring Villain

I'm quite sure he's had that throughout the entire revival.

Actually, I take that back. The first series with Eccleston as the Doctor was much darker and more "Doctor Who"-like than the show is now. There were hints of the show's current feel, but overall the show was much less cheery.

When Tennant arrived, something changed. I'm not sure if it's Tennants fault, RTD's fault, or if someone higher up in the chain decided that DW needed to start catering to the lowest common demoninator, but whatever happened, suddenly humans were 'wonderful', science was magic and the Daleks started philosophising.

I think RTD is trying to squeeze bits of the old Doctor in there (the end of Family of Blood, for example), but one gets the feeling that he's being restricted by something (or someone). I think, ultimately, this is why Torchwood has turned out so well; It's an outlet for what RTD wants to do with Doctor Who, but can't.

Ben Dawson · #22 January 25, 2008, 4:35 AM

You say that this series of Torchwood is better than last series so far, well I'd like to point out that RTD isn't writing any of the episodes for this series of Torchwood.

Superkid11 · #23 January 25, 2008, 10:17 AM

Personally, I think an optimistic Doctor is better than a pessimistic Doctor. I mean, he's been through so much that it's about time to take it all with a smile sometimes.
Also, I think his attitude towards humans could be based on this: "Sure humans are dumb but who WASN'T at their point? They're a lot better than the Vulcans were..."
It may have taken regeneration to realize that but I think that's what it is.

...Even if there aren't any Vulcans in Doctor Who...
But I do agree with how merciful he seems to be. I thought he'd gotten over that... But that's by no means anything new.
Just look at Genesis of the Daleks.

Recurring Villain · #24 January 25, 2008, 7:55 PM

Originally Posted by Ben Dawson

I'd like to point out that RTD isn't writing any of the episodes for this series of Torchwood.

When I talk about Torchwood, I'm talking about Torchwood in general. If I was referencing Series 2, I would have said, 'Torchwood Series 2.'

Originally Posted by Superkid11

Personally, I think an optimistic Doctor is better than a pessimistic Doctor. I mean, he's been through so much that it's about time to take it all with a smile sometimes.

I'm pretty sure if I was in his position I would have erased the Earth from history as soon as the Time Lords were out of the way.

Danny Stewart · #25 January 26, 2008, 3:43 AM

Originally Posted by Recurring Villain

When I talk about Torchwood, I'm talking about Torchwood in general. If I was referencing Series 2, I would have said, 'Torchwood Series 2.'

Now I'm confused.

Originally Posted by Recurring Villain

I'm pretty sure if I was in his position I would have erased the Earth from history as soon as the Time Lords were out of the way.

Hear hear.

Chris Britton · #26 January 26, 2008, 7:30 AM

Originally Posted by Danny Stewart

...which was pretty much all he said...

utterly pwned.

Ronnie Rowlands · #27 January 26, 2008, 8:09 AM

NC leaves himself open for it really.

Jamie Minty · #28 January 26, 2008, 8:32 AM

Originally Posted by Danny Stewart

...which was pretty much all he said...

Well the bit that stuck out most was "too make it modern".

RTD's made it more modern and therefore for a newer younger audience.

I know Classic fans love Dr.Who the way it was but it annoys me sometimes listen to them complain on podcasts. I think they should learn to like it and get over the fact it different!

And RV, no i pretty much dont!

Jamie Minty · #29 January 26, 2008, 8:34 AM

Originally Posted by Ronnie Rowlands

NC leaves himself open for it really.

I speak what I think. RTD speaks for a while in that video, but Dave Ross starts to talk over him so its a bit harder to hear! Plus i've seen the whole interview before on Confidential or something!

Ronnie Rowlands · #30 January 26, 2008, 8:44 AM

Part of the video is stupid, we see plenty of on screen deaths in new who. There were a few off screen deaths in classic Who, for example the killer's brother in Pyamids on Mars.

Jamie Minty · #31 January 26, 2008, 8:49 AM

Was there blood in the Classic Series as there are the tiniest drops in the New Series!

Ronnie Rowlands · #32 January 26, 2008, 8:52 AM

No, there was no blood when people got shot.

Also, we saw plenty of Cybermen get killed in the new series, and we see the Cybermen ruthlessly killing people. We saw Eccleston torture a Dalek, and Eccleston insulted humans on at least 2 occasions. "I've picked another stupid ape," "these stupid people have only just learnt how to walk.

A lot of the content of this video is taken out of context. There certainly is death and action in the new series.

Danny Stewart · #33 January 26, 2008, 1:30 PM

Originally Posted by Ronnie Rowlands

Part of the video is stupid, we see plenty of on screen deaths in new who. There were a few off screen deaths in classic Who, for example the killer's brother in Pyamids on Mars.

Yes, but most of the time, they prefer to do off screen deaths. Also, the fact that there were "a few" off screen deaths in the old series means nothing -- sometimes it can be done stylistically, to great effect.

Originally Posted by NegativeCyberman

Was there blood in the Classic Series as there are the tiniest drops in the New Series!

Yes, there was often blood on the old series.

Ronnie Rowlands · #34 January 26, 2008, 1:55 PM

Originally Posted by Danny Stewart

Also, the fact that there were "a few" off screen deaths in the old series means nothing -- sometimes it can be done stylistically, to great effect.

And you're saying they don't do stylistic off-screen deaths now?

Danny Stewart · #35 January 26, 2008, 2:23 PM

Originally Posted by Ronnie Rowlands

And you're saying they don't do stylistic off-screen deaths now?

Yes. .....

Ronnie Rowlands · #36 January 26, 2008, 3:20 PM

Originally Posted by Danny Stewart

Yes. .....

If Margaret Blaine clawing that man at the beginning of "Boomtown" isn't stylish, then please kindly fax me an explanation of what is.

Jamie Minty · #37 January 26, 2008, 3:41 PM

I think Ronnie is absolutely correct.

Ronnie Rowlands · #38 January 26, 2008, 3:45 PM

Much better than the offscreen deaths in the old series, i.e. the girly man screams in "Earth Shock."

Danny Stewart · #39 January 26, 2008, 5:49 PM

Whatever. Sorry to hear that you have less sophisticated taste than is required to appreciate the old series for what it was.

Ronnie Rowlands · #40 January 26, 2008, 5:53 PM

I have plenty of appreciation for the old series. I just think that video was very bad and ignored the fact that a lot of the "differences" that were pointed out were taking out of context. If I was any good at video making and had the patience I would prove him wrong on action, violence, death and opinions on humans.