Atonement for our behaviour

[Danny Stewart]

Originally Posted by Kody

http://www.dannystewart.com/forums/s...ead.php?t=8968

His 'Hello' thread. You'll notice most members greeted him happily, with a lot of people offering advice. RV was being the RV that we know and love.

Even James FIRST post in that thread is just asking for flaming, though. I sometimes wondered if it was a member on another account, doing it to mess with us. It's almost TOO obvious at times.

Originally Posted by MI7

One member attacked him - RV. The other members simply told him to ignore RV. Did he listen and actually like, take their advice? No.
He claimed to have Aspergers syndrome (and to be honest, knowing Chris firsthand I seriously, seriously, seriously doubt that he did.) yet later he outright attacked Chris, the other member with aspergers, for trying to back him up.

I suggest everyone rereads his intro topic instead of simply trying to remember it with their guilt-tinted spectacles on.

Quoted for truth. I don't have the energy to participate in this anymore, so I'm just going to start quoting people I agree with. This is part one. Enjoy.

[Chris Britton]

The point remains that despite the fact we gave him advice and was friendly, we did not have to stoop so low, we are no better then people like Daryl for attacking him, we can hardly count ourselves as more mature for doing and saying what we did.

[MI7]

Originally Posted by Chris Britton

The point remains that despite the fact we gave him advice and was friendly, we did not have to stoop so low, we are no better then people like Daryl for attacking him, we can hardly count ourselves as more mature...

Don't lose any sleep over it man. You didn't do anything wrong.

for doing and saying what we did

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[Kody]

Originally Posted by Chris Britton

The point remains that despite the fact we gave him advice and was friendly, we did not have to stoop so low, we are no better then people like Daryl for attacking him, we can hardly count ourselves as more mature for doing and saying what we did.

What is it that you'd like us to do then? Delete our posts and make some sort of public apology?

I will freely admit I sniped at him. After I offered tons of advice, over and over again in a constructive manner.

The kid never tried to better himself.

I do not feel the need to make some big huff about it.

If he came back and was acting differently in a positive manner, I'd welcome him.

I'm unsure as to what you want done here Chris. But I really would like everyone to be happy.

[Danny Stewart]

Originally Posted by Kody

What is it that you'd like us to do then? Delete our posts and make some sort of public apology?

I will freely admit I sniped at him. After I offered tons of advice, over and over again in a constructive manner.

The kid never tried to better himself.

I do not feel the need to make some big huff about it.

If he came back and was acting differently in a positive manner, I'd welcome him.

I'm unsure as to what you want done here Chris. But I really would like everyone to be happy.

Part two, everyone. Ta.

[Superkid11]

Originally Posted by Jez

You cannot tell me you failed to see the decline in the quality of posting over recent weeks, as well as the increase of abuse and bullying?

Originally Posted by Jez

he's actually stepped back and ignored a lot of the recent abuse, showing more maturity than those who commit the abuse.

Jez brings up two very good points. Even if James deserves some of it for not listening to us when he could, the constant bullying is actually getting really annoying, it's an eyesore.

[Kody]

Originally Posted by Superkid11

Jez brings up two very good points. Even if James deserves some of it for not listening to us when he could, the constant bullying is actually getting really annoying, it's an eyesore.

By 'decline in quality of posting', you mean having some of the busiest times lately on the boards due to all the great creative talk over the audio dramas?

Sure there's a bunch of silly and pointless posts, but those will always pop up for fun.

And by 'stepping back and ignoring the abuse'..? Well, I'm not sure what James has done lately, but he probably just got tired of it and went to spend his time elsewhere. I'm not sure if this falls under 'being more mature'.

Seriously, why is everyone suddenly making such a big deal over this? I hate seeing members of this forum upset, but what happened with James has been outlined more than once so far.

Let me also say again 'What do you want us to do?'

[Danny Stewart]

Originally Posted by Kody

By 'decline in quality of posting', you mean having some of the busiest times lately on the boards due to all the great creative talk over the audio dramas?

Sure there's a bunch of silly and pointless posts, but those will always pop up for fun.

And by 'stepping back and ignoring the abuse'..? Well, I'm not sure what James has done lately, but he probably just got tired of it and went to spend his time elsewhere. I'm not sure if this falls under 'being more mature'.

Seriously, why is everyone suddenly making such a big deal over this? I hate seeing members of this forum upset, but what happened with James has been outlined more than once so far.

Let me also say again 'What do you want us to do?'

Part three. I'm so glad I have people here who can articulate my thoughts and feelings so perfectly for me so I can just sit back and quote them. Thank you, Kody.

[Superkid11]

Originally Posted by Kody

By 'decline in quality of posting', you mean having some of the busiest times lately on the boards due to all the great creative talk over the audio dramas?

Sure there's a bunch of silly and pointless posts, but those will always pop up for fun.

And by 'stepping back and ignoring the abuse'..? Well, I'm not sure what James has done lately, but he probably just got tired of it and went to spend his time elsewhere. I'm not sure if this falls under 'being more mature'.

Seriously, why is everyone suddenly making such a big deal over this? I hate seeing members of this forum upset, but what happened with James has been outlined more than once so far.

Let me also say again 'What do you want us to do?'

Ok, you got me on that first thing. That part's great fun, but some of the crap's gotten into it too.

The James picking-on was funny for a while, I admit, but it got really old. I'm not sure what to do about it, personally... I just hope for his sake he's left as he can't seem to get along with us at all.

[Kody]

Originally Posted by Superkid11

Ok, you got me on that first thing. That part's great fun, but some of the crap's gotten into it too.

The James picking-on was funny for a while, I admit, but it got really old. I'm not sure what to do about it, personally... I just hope for his sake he's left as he can't seem to get along with us at all.

Well, if you, Chris or anyone else comes up with something specific you'd like to see done.. please say so. I'm sure Danny with listen to it, as will everyone else.

I want these forums to be an active, awesome place as always.

I'm man enough to stand behind what I posted. If anyone thinks I was just outright bullying James, please look at the reasons for it above. This may not excuse me, but hopefully it will shed some light on things. As well as go back and read his intro post. I hate to say it but it sure does seem people are drawing wild conclusions that aren't true.

I still say, if he came back and learned to act just a bit differently and not inflame everything, I'd be perfectly social towards him and hope he became an active and productive member of the community. I just don't see that happening.

In the end, it seems like this is just being blown out of proportion. I don't mean that in a bad way towards you, Jez, Chris or Ben.. but honestly. Can we move on please?

[Kody]

Originally Posted by Danny Stewart

Part three. I'm so glad I have people here who can articulate my thoughts and feelings so perfectly for me so I can just sit back and quote them. Thank you, Kody.

Your welcome, I try.

[Recurring Villain]

James P is just an idiotic attention whore. Get over yourselves, you sound like a bunch of preteen girls.

[Danny Stewart]

Originally Posted by Chris Britton

The point remains that despite the fact we gave him advice and was friendly, we did not have to stoop so low, we are no better then people like Daryl for attacking him, we can hardly count ourselves as more mature for doing and saying what we did.

Chris, you directly challenged my authority and went against my explicit instructions by re-locking a thread that I expressly reopened and decided should remain that way. As far as moderators go, there is no greater crime you can commit than directly disobeying the wishes of the site's chief administrator, however much you may disagree with them. In light of this, your moderator privileges have been revoked indefinitely.

[Kody]

Originally Posted by Recurring Villain

James P is just an idiotic attention whore. Get over yourselves, you sound like a bunch of preteen girls.

Quoted For Awesome.

[Chris Britton]

Originally Posted by Danny Stewart

Chris, you directly challenged my authority and went against my explicit instructions by re-locking a thread that I expressly reopened and decided should remain that way. As far as moderators go, there is no greater crime you can commit than directly disobeying the wishes of the site's chief administrator, however much you may disagree with them. In light of this, your moderator privileges have been revoked indefinitely.

If thats the only action your taking, by stopping me from stopping a thread devoted to picking on another person, then that merely proves how inward and selfish and lazy you have become Danny. I guess it's no-ones fault you have gotten your head stuck up RV's ass to the point where you both smelling out of his nose, if all you can do is punish someone who saw the bullying he had done and wanted to put a stop to it. I hate for it to end this way but i refuse to be part of a forum that allows a member to be kept on for the sole purpose of being picked on, perhaps your worse then Daryl now, I'm sure he would be welcomed back with open arms now. The fact you gave RV the moderatorship once you revoked it from me just proves that he should be running this place, your just a lazy arrogant bastard who's become king of his own little world.

The irony I have to state now is that RV said to me a few days ago that "It's people like me who fuck up democracy", perhaps that should be applied to you now Danny, I honestly once looked up to you. James was only 13, he should not be expected to be completely mature and grown up. most of us here are roughly 16 or over, can everyone at 13 be expected to act all grown up?

I hate for it to end this way, but when a forum crosses that line where it begins to resemble something like something i'd sit on the toilet and get rid of then it's become a typical Internet forum, I saw this Ctrl+Alt+Del comic a few months back, and at the time this would not have been applied to DSF in my opinion, but now on the other hand:



To all those people who stood behind me when I raised this point, I thank you for helping me out, and to Ben and Jez for helping me see that what i did to James was wrong, no matter how much of a pain he might have been, but there is no way i will stay on a forum which punishes those who stand up for those treated badly, it's gotten beyond disgusting now. We have gotten beyond scraping the bottom of the barrel now. To everyone else who read this I am not taking a pop about you, it's two idiots on this board who have ruined this forum for me, I wish everyone else good luck in the future, I hope the audio production goes well at least.

I can only hope James has left, at least he does not have to see what we have become anymore. Don't bother dishing out any more punishments to me Danny, It would not be worth the extra brain activity you can be bothered to use, I will show myself out.

[MI7]

To be honest I'm not in support of this at all. Taking Chris' mod abilities away for such a petty minor infraction. That's going too far imo.

Hope you're not gone long man.

[Chris Britton]

Originally Posted by MI7

To be honest I'm not in support of this at all. Taking Chris' mod abilities away for such a petty minor infraction. That's going too far imo.

Hope you're not gone long man.

I wish i could say I won't be gone long, but I can't stay here unless things improve, the audio production is one of the best ideas this place has had, but it feels hollow while punishments are dished out wrongly to people standing up for the less fortunate and those less fortunate are allowed to stay on the forum just so they can be picked on, how can that be justified? even if the person might not pick things up so easily, it's never justified to keep someone around to mentally torture them. I know I said yesterday that I would not leave as that would be accepting defeat, well after this morning i changed my mind, because that was what made me see was that Danny does not care anymore. there was a time he would never have tolerated the bullying given to James, now this place has become too much like a typical internet forum. I hope things may get better, but to be honest I won't be holding my breath.

[Danny Stewart]

Originally Posted by MI7

To be honest I'm not in support of this at all. Taking Chris' mod abilities away for such a petty minor infraction. That's going too far imo.

Well, I'm sorry you feel that way, but the fact of the matter is that this is my site, and my word is law above all else. If I make a decision, it is the staff's job to enforce that decision, regardless of how much they may disagree with it. It is by my will that the staff serves here as staff at all. I will not have people serving on my staff who see fit to go behind my back and make their own decisions. Like I said, that's not how it works. My site, my rules. I made a decision. If you have a problem with it, you talk to me about it. You never ever just go behind my back and decide to enforce your own beliefs instead of the person who runs the site and who made you a staff member in the first place. That's not only a moderator problem, it's a respect problem, and it's a betrayal. I was absolutely shocked to see Chris of all people outright betray me like that, but let this be a warning: this is what happens when staff members go against me and my decisions. I'm sorry, but that's just the way it is. I run this site. If you don't want to be here, then that's fine, and we'll get by without you, but if you do want to be here, then you play by my rules and that's the end of it.

[Recurring Villain]

Seriously, this is getting ridiculous. I've been on forums on and off since I was James P's age and I never was like him. I learned from the cliques of the forum what was and wasn't acceptable as far as behaviour went and played along, I still have friends from those forums so long ago I still talk to, despite the forums being long since dead.

If he's not prepared to try and fit in, then it's not our place to change to suit him. If he doesn't like it, there's the whole rest of the motherfuckin' internet out there for him to talk about his Grandmother to.

It's rediculous how many times we have to repeat this; check the banner up there, read whose name is part of the URL. Is this JamesP.com? No. Is it ChrisBritton.com? No. So get the fuck over yourself, Chris, or go make your own forum. It's really that simple.

[Danny Stewart]

Originally Posted by Recurring Villain

Seriously, this is getting ridiculous.

This is getting past ridiculous now.

Originally Posted by Recurring Villain

If he's not prepared to try and fit in, then it's not our place to change to suit him. If he doesn't like it, there's the whole rest of the motherfuckin' internet out there for him to talk about his Grandmother to.

I don't know why this is so difficult for people to wrap their minds around.

Originally Posted by Recurring Villain

It's rediculous how many times we have to repeat this; check the banner up there, read whose name is part of the URL. Is this JamesP.com? No. Is it ChrisBritton.com? No. So get the fuck over yourself, Chris, or go make your own forum. It's really that simple.

Thank you. That's the bottom line here. Check the URL, and if you don't like the decisions that I make, then leave. It's entirely up to me how I run this site, and I'm perfectly entitled to make wildly unjustified decisions. However in all honesty, I don't think I have. Not before, and certainly not now.