The best commercial ever

[Josef Kenny]

The froth off the top of a Guinness is the best part.

[Danny Stewart]

Originally Posted by tardis2008

Drink as in a lovely pint of Guinness you cant beat it...Unless you have a malt whisky!!! in which case you can.

How old are you again?

[Chris Britton]

Originally Posted by tardis2008

Smoking and Drugs=BAD
Drink as in a lovely pint of Guinness you cant beat it...Unless you have a malt whisky!!! in which case you can.

Guinness is Horrible!!!

[Ronnie Rowlands]

Originally Posted by Danny Stewart

Then I hope you get lung cancer from it.

Yeah, because there is a BARRAGE of evidence that there are health risks from second hand smoke.

Wrong.

Second-hand smoking causing diseases is trash. Everyone really knows it.

There are 41 different causes of cancer. One being smoking. Shift-work is another. And stress, diet, alcohol, etc.

P Smoking research only takes 4-5 of these causes into account, so it is junk science. For every one of these studies showing a link, six more do not.

Even though the amount of smokers has halved in the last 30 years, lung cancer rates have gone up 800%? And have asthma, heart disease, etc etc - all diseases blamed on smoking. Smoking is no good for you definitely - but there is NO risk from second-hand smoking and everyone knows it!!!

And Danny, what do you think gives you the right to wish lung cancer on ANYBODY? I just lost a hell of a lot of respect for you.

Oh and RV, Last time I heard, smoking-related diseases cost the NHS £1.7 billon and cigarette tax brought in around £7.5 billion. It's the same people who want smoking banned that are being treated in hospitals FREE OF CHARGE.

[Danny Stewart]

Originally Posted by Ronnie Rowlands

Yeah, because there is a BARRAGE of evidence that there are health risks from second hand smoke.

Correct.

"Secondhand smoke causes approximately 3,400 lung cancer deaths and 46,000 heart disease deaths in adult nonsmokers in the United States each year. Nonsmokers exposed to secondhand smoke at work are at increased risk for adverse health effects. Levels of ETS in restaurants and bars were found to be 2 to 5 times higher than in residences with smokers and 2 to 6 times higher than in office workplaces."

http://www.lungusa.org/site/pp.asp?c=dvLUK9O0E&b=35422

"Secondhand smoke immediately affects the heart and blood circulation in a harmful way. It also causes heart disease and lung cancer."

http://www.cancer.org/docroot/PED/co...Indoor_Air.asp

"Secondhand smoke exposure causes heart disease and lung cancer in nonsmoking adults."

http://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/data_stat...dhandSmoke.htm

"Inhaling secondhand smoke causes lung cancer in nonsmoking adults."

http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/f...et/Tobacco/ETS

"The 1986 reports by the NRC and Surgeon General concluded secondhand smoke was a risk factor for lung cancer."

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,26109,00.html

"Secondhand smoke contains more than 50 substances that can cause cancer. Health effects of exposure to secondhand smoke include lung cancer, nasal sinus cancer, respiratory tract infections and heart disease."

http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/secondhandsmoke.html

Originally Posted by Ronnie Rowlands

And Danny, what do you think gives you the right to wish lung cancer on ANYBODY? I just lost a hell of a lot of respect for you.

Just as I hold no respect for people who think smoking is cool.

[tardis2008]

Remind me never to argue with you Danny. Thats what i call research At least with the smoking ban in public places in force in the UK its not as bad as it used to be. The Government seem to have made drink public enemy number one again now smoking's sorted....Wonder whats next?

[Ronnie Rowlands]

It's good enough to say. Who wrote those articles, anti-smokers? There's no real proof that their effects are caused by second hand smoke, is there? Why do you think you have the right to tell someone to get lung cancer?

I disagree with the experts on horizon rating nicotine higher than several other things like ecstacy and cannabis. Smoking is worse than alcohol, that shouldn't be argued with. Smoking doesn't have the capabilities
to make one more violent or louder than normal. It wouldn't give one the urge to get into a fight, get themselves into trouble, and people don't tend to sell their dearest possessions to afford another cigarette.

All people who eat sweets, Danny, do you hope they become obese and die of a heart attack?

[Ronnie Rowlands]

Originally Posted by tardis2008

Remind me never to argue with you Danny. Thats what i call research At least with the smoking ban in public places in force in the UK its not as bad as it used to be. The Government seem to have made drink public enemy number one again now smoking's sorted....Wonder whats next?

Smoking is NOT sorted. It was not a big social problem that was causing people to go commit crime. Take cigarettes away from people, and you get a black market, people will just start smuggling them in and the government will get NO tax off them then, will they? They won't be happy then will they?

[Chris Britton]

And Danny, what do you think gives you the right to wish lung cancer on ANYBODY? I just lost a hell of a lot of respect for you.

Seeing as there is no love lost between you guys i hardly think respect comes into this matter.

[Danny Stewart]

Originally Posted by Ronnie Rowlands

Who wrote those articles

In order:

• The American Lung Association
• The American Cancer Society
• The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention
• The National Cancer Institute
• FOX News
• The National Library of Medicine (part of the National Institutes of Health)

I trust each and every one of those sources (with the exception of FOX News) significantly more than I trust your judgment.

But with regard to FOX News, as Martok once said on Star Trek, "There's nothing more convincing than an ally and an enemy both telling you the same thing."

[Ronnie Rowlands]

Originally Posted by Chris Britton

Seeing as there is no love lost between you guys i hardly think respect comes into this matter.

Same for us, I'm not wishing a very serious disease on you. Although I think Danny was aiming it at me personally, not every smoker in the world. I'm sure he would not have directed the same courtesy to Dorie or someone else dear to him. Even so, it is not very nice to just shrug off people dying with a "well he deserved it" mentality. It's a very ignorant stance and one should not make comments like that unless they themselves have been in that position.

[Danny Stewart]

Originally Posted by Ronnie Rowlands

Same for us, I'm not wishing a very serious disease on you. Although I think Danny was aiming it at me personally, not every smoker in the world. I'm sure he would not have directed the same courtesy to Dorie or someone else dear to him. Even so, it is not very nice to just shrug off people dying with a "well he deserved it" mentality. It's a very ignorant stance and one should not make comments like that unless they themselves have been in that position.

Do not bring Dorie into this. This is your first and last warning. If you so much as mention her name again, you will be banned from this site permanently.

[Ronnie Rowlands]

I was not bringing her into anything, I was using her as an example. Yes I knew that would get some sort of reaction from you, sadly it was not the counter to my argument I was hoping for, just a threat. Alright then, just replace her name with anyone else important to you.

EVERY adult member of my family has smoked at one point. Some have given up, some are still at it. Would you wish this disease on them as well? Supposing they all did. Put yourself in my shoes after that happened, and see if you could say "yeah well, they deserved it."

[Chris Britton]

Ronn, all members of my dads side of the family apart from him smoked, and as a result my Grandad had a heart attack and now has a pacemaker, and is very frail, my Nan had to give up to help fund his treatment, my uncle has smokers breath, my aunt has to make sure she wears make up because of the state of her skin. All because they kept puffing away. Now they are my family as I love them like family, but to see whats happened to them is heartbreaking.

My Grandad had his heart attack two years after my other one died of an Asthma attack even though he did not smoke, i was very distressed, and on a simple conicidence my dad and mum have the ONLY successful marrage in our current family, 23 years this year.

I'm not wishng a disease on you as well Ronn, and despite our fallings out I don't want more arguments between us as there have been too many.

[Danny Stewart]

Originally Posted by Ronnie Rowlands

I was not bringing her into anything, I was using her as an example.

... and by doing so, you brought her into this. You dropped her name into a line of discussion that had absolutely nothing to do with her and in which she was not involved prior to you mentioning her. That is bringing her into this, and it was a huge mistake.

Originally Posted by Ronnie Rowlands

Yes I knew that would get some sort of reaction from you, sadly it was not the counter to my argument I was hoping for, just a threat. Alright then, just replace her name with anyone else important to you.

It doesn't work like that. I don't want you under any circumstances name-dropping or talking about people who I care about and using their names as examples in a stupid argument in which you are fighting on the wrong side. You ever try anything like that again and you'll be out of here so fast you won't know what hit you.

Originally Posted by Ronnie Rowlands

EVERY adult member of my family has smoked at one point. Some have given up, some are still at it. Would you wish this disease on them as well? Supposing they all did. Put yourself in my shoes after that happened, and see if you could say "yeah well, they deserved it."

Well, you're right. I would not wish for them to get lung cancer.

However if they did, you're damn right I would say they deserved it. Because guess what. They did. They chose to pollute their bodies with poison. That's what happens when you make such an idiotic choice. You pay for it. As I've said numerous times in this thread, I have zero sympathy for people like that. They bring it upon themselves 100%.

[Superkid11]

I think it would be healthy to drop this line of discussion right about now.

When internet drama stops being funny chances are it's going to lead to an explosion.

[Marinedalek]

I see that since Ronnie has clearly lost the original argument he's now moved the goalposts so that we're arguing about something else. Entertaining as this thread has been, I think it's run its course in terms of sensibility.